Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 84381 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 16:49:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 16:49:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16874 invoked by uid 500); 5 Apr 2006 16:49:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 16813 invoked by uid 500); 5 Apr 2006 16:49:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 16802 invoked by uid 99); 5 Apr 2006 16:49:20 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:49:20 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [84.96.21.10] (HELO mail.anyware-tech.com) (84.96.21.10) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:49:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.anyware-tech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107E733B1C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.anyware-tech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (trinity [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13964-09 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.27] (poukram.anyware [10.0.0.27]) by mail.anyware-tech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646BC33A1A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4433F4F9.1070204@apache.org> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:48:57 +0200 From: Sylvain Wallez User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: The all embarassing presentation email :-) References: <44325920.7040508@thebug.it> <4433D9CC.2080203@apache.org> <4433F218.4040502@thebug.it> In-Reply-To: <4433F218.4040502@thebug.it> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at anyware-tech.com X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Simone Gianni wrote: > Sylvain Wallez wrote: > >> A question: what language where these books written in: English or >> Italian? I'm always amazed to see kids learning to program right after >> learning to read. Computers weren't widespread when I was 7 (that was in >> 1974) and I "only" started at 13, having already some english >> background. > > Surprisingly it was in Italian. Then when i started Logo (a suggestion > from a friend of my father when i told him i was doing weird stuff > with basic on C64), I asked my father to buy a book on logo, but he > took me a book in english, since it was hard to understand it, I asked > my father to go back to the bookshop and take a "The same book on > logo, but the italian version", and he took me a book about Logo in > italian, but unfortunately for the "Italian version of Logo", where > all commands were translated ... "FW" was translated in "AV", "RT" in > "DS" etc .. :) Oh, I remember something similar on my Apple II: some people provided a translated version of the Basic keywords, and were calling this dialect "Basicois". Totally ununderstandable if you already knew the original Basic, even without knowing english ;-) > My personal suggestion is to try to go for english, since it would > improve both english and technical skills at once, but since a foreign > language is often hard to approach, maybe starting with something > simple and "child-friendly" (like Logo was, today what?) in native > language can give the child the right interest and movivation to try > an english book later. I found some nice material in french for my kids for PHP and Python. But the oldest one (14) has switched for quite some time now to the english docs: the Python reference manual is currently on his night table! Sylvain -- Sylvain Wallez http://bluxte.net Apache Software Foundation Member