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From Thorsten Scherler <>
Subject Re: A new CLI (was Re: [RT] The environment abstraction, part II)
Date Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:55:12 GMT
El lun, 03-04-2006 a las 09:00 +0100, Upayavira escribió:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Upayavira wrote:
> >> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> >>> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> >>>> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> >>>>> Hmm... the current CLI uses Cocoon's links view to crawl the website.
> >>>>> although the new crawler can be based on servlets, it will assume
> >>>>> servlets to answer to a ?cocoon-view=links :-)
> >>>>>     
> >>>> Hmm, I think we don't need the links view in this case anymore. A simple
> >>>>  HTML crawler should be enough as it will follow all links on the page.
> >>>> The view would only make sense in the case where you don't output html
> >>>> where the usual crawler tools would not work.
> >>>>   
> >>> In the case of Forrest, you're probably right. Now the links view also
> >>> allows to follow links in pipelines producing something that's not HTML,
> >>> such as PDF, SVG, WML, etc.
> >>>
> >>> We have to decide if we want to loose this feature.
> > 
> > I am not sure if we use this in Forrest. If not
> > then we probably should be. 
> > 
> >> In my view, the whole idea of crawling (i.e. gathering links from pages)
> >> is suboptimal anyway. For example, some sites don't directly link to all
> >> pages (e.g. they are accessed via javascript, or whatever) so you get
> >> pages missed.
> >>
> >> Were I to code a new CLI, whilst I would support crawling I would mainly
> >> configure the CLI to get the list of pages to visit by calling one or
> >> more URLs. Those URLs would specify the pages to generate.
> >>
> >> Thus, Forrest would transform its site.xml file into this list of pages,
> >> and drive the CLI via that.
> > 
> > This is what we do do. We have a property
> > "start-uri=linkmap.html"
> >
> > (we actually use corresponding xml of course).
> > 
> > We define a few extra URIs in the Cocoon cli.xconf
> > 
> > There are issues of course. Sometimes we want to
> > include directories of files that are not referenced
> > in site.xml navigation. For my sites i just use a
> > DirectoryGenerator to build an index page which feeds
> > the crawler. Sometime that technique is not sufficent.
> > 
> > We also gather links from text files (e.g. CSS)
> > using Chaperon. This works nicely but introduces
> > some overhead.
> This more or less confirms my suggested approach - allow crawling at the
> 'end-point' HTML, but more importantly, use a page/URL to identify the
> pages to be crawled. The interesting thing from what you say is that
> this page could itself be nothing more than HTML.

Well, yes and not really, since e.g. Chaperon is text based and no
markup. You need a lex-writer to generate links for the crawler. 

Forrest actually is *not* aimed for html only support and one can think
of the situation that you want your site to be only txt (kind of a
book). Here you need to crawler the lex-rewriter outcome and follow the

The current limitation of forrest regarding the crawler are IMO not
caused by the crawler design but rather by our (as in forrest) usage of


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