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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: [RT] OSGi based blocks
Date Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:37:26 GMT

Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
> Conclusion
> ==========
> It should be noted that I haven't referred to any Cocoon specifics 
> above. That is one of the neat things about the architecture. It is 
> completely orthogonal to and independent of the rest of Cocoon and it 
> could be used together with any servlet based web framework.
I suppose this is part of the problem and where my concern lies.  I have 
no idea what trunk is anymore and how I'm supposed to build an 
application with it and from what I can tell there are only a few people 
who really do.  I have been simply waiting for a maven 2 build so that I 
could run a small script from my desktop and have it download and 
install the parts I need.  While all this stuff is probably really cool 
I still don't see how it addresses what I'm looking for.  I don't want 
to be negative because I really like the premise of OSGi, but it really 
isn't one of the problems I needed solved at the moment:
a. No requirement for Cocoon users to download source
b. Build and deployment tools to allow customers to only download the 
Cocoon parts they want and their dependencies.
c. Build tool to allow customers to add their own customization.

Now if you can put what you have done into instructions on how to do the 
above I'll shut up. 

Sorry for venting, but it is just that IIRC we all agreed at the 
getTogether that the priority was to try to get a maven 2 build done by 
the end of the year for a 2.2M1 release.  For quite a while I have felt 
that only 2 or 3 committers actually have any idea what is going on in 
trunk and no one else can help because they don't really know what to 
do.  However, I have seen patches that were applied to 2.1 also applied 
to trunk, but I find myself wondering if they were actually tested there.

Please Daniel, don't take this personally as it isn't really directed at 
you.  Part of it is directed at myself as I haven't had any significant 
amount of time to contribute to this work. I guess I'm just wondering if 
I'm the only one who is feeling this way? If so, I'll stop my whining.


> It is obviously not exactly as the block architecture that was 
> designed a couple of years ago. But it is rather close and by reusing 
> so much of OSGi we get a rather small implementation that can be 
> interesting for other communities. Much of the surrounding 
> infrastuture will be needed by other OSGi users, so much can be 
> developed together with other communities.
> /Daniel

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