Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 7156 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 09:19:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 09:19:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 78546 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jan 2006 09:19:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 78456 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jan 2006 09:19:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 78445 invoked by uid 99); 4 Jan 2006 09:19:45 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:19:45 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [217.172.187.94] (HELO neapel094.server4you.de) (217.172.187.94) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:19:44 -0800 Received: from p5484efe2.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.132.239.226]:51358 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by neapel094.server4you.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.50) id 1Eu4gy-00052J-Sn for dev@cocoon.apache.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:12:26 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060104085502.52218.qmail@web26812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060104085502.52218.qmail@web26812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1--854627571" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Torsten Curdt Subject: Re: The Apple-Intel analogy Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:19:22 +0100 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1--854627571 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I think the Apple move to Intel processors is a good > example. Same here! > Apple is changing its fundaments but the > building above, the operating systems, remains the > same and all your applications won't stop to work. That's not true ...you have to port applications to the new platform. But Apple has prepared developers very well on how to do the migration. Of course we would have to that too. > The > average user won't even notice that the processor has > changed. Let's hope they will ;) > IMO Cocoon should go the same way. The recent thread > about a complete rewrite of Cocoon *really* scares me > and a lot of people I've talked to as it will break > compatibility for sure. Fear has always been the main blocker for new technologies. I thought it was already clear that what (I think) most people want is not necessarily to really rewrite from scratch but the freedom to reevaluate and change every- thing if they think it's a good change ...without the "no, we cannot do that to our existing customers" There is no doubt we need migration strategies ...but there is also no doubt we are currently locked into some not even so clear and old contracts. THIS is what people (or at least I) want to change. > I also consider it as dangerous as it might > lead to fractions within the community and we start > again to split our limited time that we can dedicate > to the devleopment of Cocoon into two projects for > years (again). I am sure it will also create fraction if we don't move on with some innovations that are just too much for the current codebase. cheers -- Torsten --Apple-Mail-1--854627571 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDu5MfBGM6V3wgCUERAn6/AJ90kJjdYa41U+ZLgssgzeA9LbXF7ACdEWZx dwTEcN6couwDe6G+Yso3uj4= =Sg8b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1--854627571--