Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 75791 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 05:56:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 05:56:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 37818 invoked by uid 500); 7 Dec 2005 05:56:52 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 37732 invoked by uid 500); 7 Dec 2005 05:56:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 37721 invoked by uid 99); 7 Dec 2005 05:56:51 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:56:51 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [213.46.255.21] (HELO viefep18-int.chello.at) (213.46.255.21) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:56:51 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.31] (really [62.178.239.20]) by viefep18-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20051207055628.TIJU25506.viefep18-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.31]> for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:56:28 +0100 Message-ID: <43967988.4060307@apache.org> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:56:24 +0100 From: Reinhard Poetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: An entirely new beast References: <43961144.90709@odoko.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43961144.90709@odoko.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Upayavira wrote: > I've been thinking more about Sylvain's proposal and ideas. And would > like to suggest a way to look at it and see how it fits into the context > of what we already have. > > Sylvain is proposing something different, something that is likely to be > almost entirely incompatible with the existing Cocoon. If it is almost > entirely incompatible, how can we think of it as in some way being a > _continuation_ of what we already have? > > This, it is _not_ Cocoon 3.0. It is something else. > > Thus, I agree with Sylvain that it should have a new name, but think > that Raccoon is a bad one, as it is a play on Cocoon and could never > really be the project's real name. Imagine it, "powered by Apache Cocoon > Raccoon". Hmm. > > So, what I'd propose is we choose another name, and consider it to be a > new subproject of Cocoon. A "new, exciting web development framework > from the people that brought you Apache Cocoon". > > And, the existing Cocoon carries on as long as people want and need it. > Maybe 3.0 could still be the OSGi version. It may well still bring huge > benefits to those using the current generation of Cocoon. > > Thoughts? (Other than "oh no, not another naming discussion!") > > Regards, Upayavira > > (P.S. If people do agree, I'd say please refrain from providing possible > names at the moment. We can discuss that later. For now, let's see if > people agree with what I am suggesting). > Thanks! Could we please stop to throw around version numbers? We don't even have a *common* vision. We don't know anything about compatibility, about the base technologogy, etc. When we know what we have created, then there is time enough for finding a name and a version number. -- Reinhard Pötz Independent Consultant, Trainer & (IT)-Coach {Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon} web(log): http://www.poetz.cc --------------------------------------------------------------------