Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 97259 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 20:11:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 20:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 52042 invoked by uid 500); 4 Dec 2005 20:11:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 51521 invoked by uid 500); 4 Dec 2005 20:11:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 51510 invoked by uid 99); 4 Dec 2005 20:11:40 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:11:40 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of joerg.heinicke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) Received: from [213.165.64.20] (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:11:39 -0800 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Dec 2005 20:11:17 -0000 Received: from p549D0E9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.178.20]) [84.157.14.155] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 04 Dec 2005 21:11:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #3483660 Message-ID: <43934D7F.5080700@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:11:43 +0100 From: Joerg Heinicke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: de-de, de, en-us, en-gb, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: [RT][long] Cocoon 3.0: the necessary mutation References: <43908B84.7070909@apache.org> <439124F7.9090806@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <439124F7.9090806@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On 03.12.2005 05:54, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: > I'm still in the "we don't need OSGi" > camp (as some of us are here), as I still believe that it adds to much > complexity. But as others (who I trust) believe in this and as I don't > have time to work on this, the only way to progress is to not block > those who have time to do something. But I come more and more to the > conclusion that we simply should use Spring as the base framework and > build some class loading stuff on top of it (which we already have with > the sitemap classloaders). That would be a simple but sufficient solution. I second this. We talk about learning less technologies and introduce different technologies for the container and the applications - or is anybody really considering to build an application based on OSGi while this is much more probable for Spring? J�rg