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From Sylvain Wallez <>
Subject Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?
Date Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:23:28 GMT
Matthew Langham wrote:
>> No, the brand is not strong.
>> Look around among people that have *not* used Cocoon and ask 
>> them what it is. Most of them will tell you "it's a 
>> publishing engine", or even "it's a tool to perform XSL 
>> transformations".
>> What we have now and what we're building is much more than 
>> that, and IMO we won't be able to deliver this message with a 
>> name that has been associated for 6 years to "just" a 
>> publication engine, even if that "just" is already a lot.
>> Struts has Shale which is a complete rewrite that learns from 
>> the past and looks into the future. I really think we should 
>> to the same. We're talking a new start, aiming at building a 
>> simple, clean and consistent platform. That deserves more 
>> than in a major revision number of a name that denotes 
>> something else in most people's mind.
> I strongly disagree with this. And while I agree to most of the points being
> discussed, I can't help but feel that is is a step too far.
> And I also think the current discussion is missing something significant
> (when compared to the first Cocoon steps). While only being able to quickly
> read through all the discussions - if the best way is really for a clean
> start:
> Where is the vision?

It's being built in this thread, and I started aggregating it on 
Daisy[1]. Still very embryonic, but I will spend time on it.

Now you're right: let's forget this naming issue, even if I really 
consider it as being important, and concentrate on what it we want to build.



Sylvain Wallez                        Anyware Technologies           
Apache Software Foundation Member     Research & Technology Director

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