Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 44673 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 12:31:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 12:31:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 39429 invoked by uid 500); 3 Oct 2005 12:31:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 38958 invoked by uid 500); 3 Oct 2005 12:31:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 38945 invoked by uid 99); 3 Oct 2005 12:31:19 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:31:19 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of ap-cocoon-dev@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) Received: from [80.91.229.2] (HELO ciao.gmane.org) (80.91.229.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:31:21 -0700 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMPQk-0001Eb-Is for dev@cocoon.apache.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:28:30 +0200 Received: from host42-119.pool8291.interbusiness.it ([82.91.119.42]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:28:30 +0200 Received: from lmorandini by host42-119.pool8291.interbusiness.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:28:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: dev@cocoon.apache.org From: Luca Morandini Subject: Re: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete? Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:26:24 +0200 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <433DB4B5.8070703@apache.org> <433FBE68.2000507@nada.kth.se> Reply-To: lmorandini@ieee.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host42-119.pool8291.interbusiness.it User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, it In-Reply-To: Sender: news X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Jorg Heymans wrote: > Luca Morandini wrote: > > often discussed here, very true - as much as we hate (to admit) it ;) > > Lets do a video like Rails [2], a picture says more than a thousand > words, a video more than a thousand pictures! WDOT? Can something like > this put us to shame or work in our advantage? > FWIW, my comments: 1) Videos are great communication tools, and nothing prevent us from making them, I suppose. 2) This RoR video was good stuff, especially for people building simple, self-contained apps. 3) I liked the ActiveRecords part, which is something we have to wait for the Java community to respond to (as Sylvian noted earlier today). 4) I liked the Scaffold concept, which we may replicate: not just samples, but ready-made apps to help people hit the ground running when developing an app. I mean, we could have a "reporting scaffold", or a "multi-channel publishing scaffold", or a "GIS scaffold" (you expected that, didn't you ?). Stop the presses ! I've just seen the first 30s of Andrew's presentation... it looks great :) Regards, -------------------- Luca Morandini www.lucamorandini.it --------------------