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From Daniel Fagerstrom <>
Subject Re: [RT] Rules for adding blocks and functionality?
Date Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:19:08 GMT
Andrew Savory wrote:

> On 23 Oct 2005, at 19:20, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:


>> * We really need to get rid of obsolete stuff. Must really every  
>> single block go to 2.2? Are there some oneman shows that better  
>> could be returned to their creator and driven on source forge or  
>> Cocoon-dev?
> Hmm. I'm not convinced of this. The problem is that we can't  
> anticipate which blocks our users want, they may have perfectly valid  
> reasons for using e.g. the SQL Transformer (even if we wished they  
> didn't). I don't know how we can remove historical functionality  
> without upsetting -someone-. I'm not sure how this can be solved ...

Keeping old junk forever means growing administrative work and less fun 
for us. It also means that everything gets more complicated to change 
and evolve over time. It doesn't seem like a good way to attract new 
developers and keep the old ones.

Apache is about community it is not about aniticipating user needs. If 
users have needs they can convince developers to solve them, pay 
developers to solve them or become developers.

We are chosen as committers as induviduals and not as representants for 
our companies. From a community stand point I would say that it is time 
to deprecate the SQLTransformer. As a representative for my company I 
would rather say: no way, we have tons of code that depend on it. It is 
a complicated question, but I don't think that the answer is: I need it 
at my work so the rest of you should support it.

I think that a better answer is that in such a case it would better 
become my and my companies responsibility to support it. It could happen 
inhouse, at SF or in some legacy area in our repository.

I don't think that we should let our community be choked under the 
weight of historical functionallity because we are afraid of upsetting 

You have certainly heard that the key to success is to focus and be 
really good at doing one thing. Do we have a focus? Are we really good 
at one thing?

The hard thing is to prioritize, it is easy to add but it is hard to 
remove. But it is not impossible take a good look at the Maven plugin 
matrix that Jorg pointed to: They have 
removed things and assigned different priorities to different plugins, 
are we strong enough to chose?


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