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From Sylvain Wallez <sylv...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete?
Date Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:39:13 GMT
Thomas Lutz wrote:

<snip/>

> That's the problem ! You're perfectly right. Every month I have to 
> re-convince my boss, that it was the right decision to kick out struts 
> and use cocoon instead. What he tells me is
> "google around, and you'll find struts, tapestry, turbine in almost 
> every blog, onjava article and case study, but there's nothing about 
> cocoon.
> Everybody says it's complicated, hard to use, and needs experiences 
> java developers, with all that action's stuff..."
> All you find about cocoon are really old comparisons, where cocoon 
> without forms and flow has no chance to keep up with the others.
>
> Some immediate small but powerful? improvements I could think of:
>
> -relayout the startpage http://cocoon.apache.org
> -- there should be a link to the sample setup on 
> http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/demos/release/
> -- there should be a features page, with direct links to the samples 
> (something like http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/features.html, but 
> updated :-))
> --- after two months i realized how powerful unions and cases are, and 
> there is nothing that points you to the power of CForms...
> -- well, it is not allowed to compare in advertisments here in 
> austria, but, why not set up a comparison table of some major 
> web-frameworks
> -- who cares about Cocoon 1.x and Cocoon 2.0 links on the start page ?
> -- i recently read in a blog that it's really funny that a publishing- 
> and webframework like cocoon has a really unstructured homepage...
> -- jorg's video idea ...
>
> -write some articles ?
> -- i don't know how easy/difficult it is to get onto onjava or 
> slashdot, but hey, some of you are apache commiters :-) !
>
> -get the new doc's online... try to merge the wiki and the existing 
> docs, like php does... I think daisy is capable of doing this user's 
> comment stuff ?
>
> -take the feedback you get from bugzilla to encourage the community
> -- there are really a lot of patches supplied by the users...
> -- it looks like bugzilla is just a one-way stack... patch in, never 
> out :-) ...
>
> BUT :-)
> I think it is the best framework around, and it won't be obsolete that 
> soon :-)


Thanks a lot for your input Thomas. You definitely show us the way to go!

Sylvain

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Sylvain Wallez                        Anyware Technologies
http://people.apache.org/~sylvain     http://www.anyware-tech.com
Apache Software Foundation Member     Research & Technology Director


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