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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:25:54 -0400
From: Vadim Gritsenko <vadim@reverycodes.com>
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Subject: Re: Shall we switch to Jira?
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Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> On 13 Sep 2005, at 13:58, Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> 
>> Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>>
>>> But at the same time, Bugzilla doesn't allow one to create own   
>>> filters (searches)
>>
>> Wrong. How come I have several. See 'Remember Search' button, and  
>> 'Saved Searchs' in the footer.
> 
> You broke up the phrase: "save the filter AND send status of them"

My bad - misunderstood your statement.


>>> and send status of them to a particular  individual / list /  email, 
>>> or to have customized workflows / fields /  schemes and so  on...
>>
>> We don't need that crap. It is problem enough that half of the time  
>> you can't do much in Jira while working with other projects, no  need 
>> to screw up Cocoon's bug tracking system.
> 
> In my opinion those are quite nice features... Having to work (by  
> choice) with Jira at work, I feel personally that some of that  "crap" 
> (once you get used to it, and start _really_ working with  Jira) is 
> _extremely_ useful.

It's really frustrating when you can't change bug status or do some other tasks. 
That's what I meant; I presume that's part of 'customized workflows' feature. 
Yep, I had bunch of experience with ClearQuest, did not liked it either.


> And since I spend 20% of my time tracking projects at work using  Jira, 
> I think that it might be a good solution also for this project.  That 
> said, this is my humble opinion, and as the subject of this mail  states 
> "Shall we switch to Jira", I'm asking for comments from other  members 
> of this list, _constructive_ comments.

Constructive comment would be;

   * What it does better?
   * Is it faster?
   * Is it more stable?

I tried using it, and (IMVHO) it fails on last two points and has 
hard-to-read-at-a-glance UI.


> ---
> 
> Now, I'm not saying "you're crap if you don't swich", as much as I  
> don't go around saying things like "Can you please make up your mind,  
> is it DEBUG or WARN???".

Sorry if humor of the situation has not reached you; even with smiles present. I 
had not had personal issues with you - so far, and IMHO - and I don't know if 
you have any.


PS Not anger but frustration with jira.

Vadim