Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 13499 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 18:41:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 18:41:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 25670 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2005 18:41:55 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 25631 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2005 18:41:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 25617 invoked by uid 99); 30 Aug 2005 18:41:53 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:41:53 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of ralph.goers@dslextreme.com designates 66.51.199.81 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.51.199.81] (HELO mail5.dslextreme.com) (66.51.199.81) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:42:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 5639 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 18:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO belagio) (66.51.196.164) by mail5.dslextreme.com with SMTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:41:44 -0700 Message-ID: <4314A86E.6040508@dslextreme.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:41:50 -0700 From: Ralph Goers Reply-To: rgoers@apache.org User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.4.1 (X11/20050719) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: JING Transformer... References: <251B34B1-3E0B-45CC-B0A3-6CD947ADED42@betaversion.org> <4314907B.8050501@reverycodes.com> <43149AB7.3080509@dslextreme.com> <4314A036.80605@reverycodes.com> In-Reply-To: <4314A036.80605@reverycodes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Vadim Gritsenko wrote: > Ralph Goers wrote: > >> Just so you know, if Cocoon Forms is still marked unstable I'll be >> voting -1. > > > Does it mean Cocoon should go without release for a year? Would you > still vote -1 if CForms is not marked stable after 2 years? 3? Yes. Cocoon without a stable and supported forms framework is a hinderence to its adoption and simply gives people an excuse to run off and use JSF or something besides Cocoon. Also, we have lots of folks using the current implementation. We need to be at the point that we guarantee them that we won't be making incompatible changes at every release. > > I don't get it. We should do releases *more* often, not less. True. On the 2.1.x branch this means primarily improvement in quality. On trunk it is primarily improvement in functionality/usability. Now we have many blocks on 2.1.x that are marked unstable and it isn't a problem. But when you look at what we consider the "cocoon core" CForms is ALWAYS included. How can Cocoon be considered stable if one of its core components is unstable? It can't. > > Vadim Ralph