Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 13654 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 09:54:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 09:54:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 33006 invoked by uid 500); 1 Aug 2005 09:54:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 32749 invoked by uid 500); 1 Aug 2005 09:54:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 32731 invoked by uid 99); 1 Aug 2005 09:54:39 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 02:54:39 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [211.24.132.29] (HELO f1.bali.ac) (211.24.132.29) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 02:54:30 -0700 Received: from clt-5-145.netcompartner.com (tm.net.my [219.95.130.220] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by f1.bali.ac (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j71AF5BP020182 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:15:07 +0800 From: Niclas Hedhman To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: When do we ask people for a CLA? Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:54:28 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <9b0b8f5c44098181ca942b7da032575f@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <9b0b8f5c44098181ca942b7da032575f@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508011754.28499.niclas@hedhman.org> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Monday 01 August 2005 17:32, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On the plus side: the CLA "clearly defines the terms under which > intellectual property has been contributed to the ASF", quoting from > http://apache.org/licenses/#clas > > The minus side: asking for a CLA even for small things (what's small?) > might cause people to refrain from contributing, as this would mean > some (easy) paperwork. Another BIG part of the "minus side" is that for USA contributors, the situation seems to be even worse, as the employer owns all output of the employee (if they have any business claims in software, which nowadays are most sizeable companies), no matter when/how that was produced. legal-discuss@ has have had that up a few months ago, and it seems that for USA contributors the employer need to provide ASF with an agreement (CCLA or otherwise) that relinguish the employer's right over the material. Go figure! :o( Or better, everyone move to Europe. :o) Or better yet, move to Asia... :oD Cheers Niclas