Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 5902 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 08:02:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 8 May 2005 08:02:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 74982 invoked by uid 500); 8 May 2005 08:04:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 74768 invoked by uid 500); 8 May 2005 08:04:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 74741 invoked by uid 99); 8 May 2005 08:04:43 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: domain of sebastien.arbogast@gmail.com designates 64.233.162.193 as permitted sender) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.193) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:04:43 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so1401634nzf for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:01:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=co0ohWfuirpSiwuhs6E0c7yfI3LD7o1m9shmENVtbwRmdYTtMlPBp3ArN45IISgERXf/ChA98lamMeEEMxjpV9W6rT7e/B5JH2GWjNGp8Uzh7XzsOKmLtBvkT5AQdaFluLZEgu+g+GzjjjdS+smD+DgfGMKGP3mm1lKDht5Myds= Received: by 10.36.77.10 with SMTP id z10mr959485nza; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.23.15 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 01:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 03:01:42 -0500 From: Sebastien Arbogast Reply-To: Sebastien Arbogast To: Cocoon users list , Cocoon developers list Subject: [CocoonInAction] Changing course Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi all, Just a small message to give you some news about Cocoon In Action tutorial. I spoke of it with Helma earlier this week to explain her that, as the project didn't start as I expected and my personal constraints became more and more stressing, I preferred to fall back to reality. As I told her I don't have enough experience and background using Cocoon to pretend writing documentation about it... alone. I knew that from the beginning but I was hoping such a global project could gather individual efforts in sort of a more coherent way. And even if Helma warned me that it was not possible on such a community project, I kept a few good examples in mind, examples of community projects where people worked together in a more "community" fashion. That's what I was looking for, that's what I'm convinced Cocoon needs to get its full capacity and be much more that this incredibly powerful but messy "gasworks". This is my opinion, it's not a troll or a critics, it's one feedback among others. That's not to say that Cocoon community is a bad one. That doesn't mean that Cocoon is a bad project. I still need it and I kind of like working with it, and I can't stop marvelling of its power. But still I can't stop having headaches too... So that's it. At the beginning I was hoping that 200 visits a day on cocoon in action tutorial website would transform into something more productive, more coherent. But it hasn't so far. And as I said, in parallel to that, the end of my own project is approaching and I still have a lot of issues to figure out. So I let Cocoon in Action in Helma's hands on cocoondev, I'm sure she will do a great job and I hope she will be be more successful than I was, gathering individual documentation efforts to make Cocoon learning more solid. Hence I will go continue to ask "dumb" questions on cocoon users list and travel through all this documentation maze to find my answers. And Cocoon in Action tutorial website will be shutdown in the next few days. I will be happy to participate in Cocoon development COMMUNITY effort as I acquire more and more experience with it. In the meantime, keep up the good work guys... Best regards... --=20 Sebastien ARBOGAST