Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 77995 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 07:00:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 07:00:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 38908 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2005 07:00:42 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 38878 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2005 07:00:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 38864 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2005 07:00:41 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from mailgate2.dslextreme.com (HELO mailgate2.dslextreme.com) (66.51.199.95) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:00:38 -0700 Received: from mail5.dslextreme.com (unknown [192.168.7.93]) by mailgate2.dslextreme.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EA7A33A64BB for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 23:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6394 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 07:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.10.10]) (66.51.196.164) by mail5.dslextreme.com with SMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:00:16 -0700 Message-ID: <429D5D00.2080504@dslextreme.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:00:16 -0700 From: Ralph Goers User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: Logkit jvadocs References: <50681.10.0.0.1.1117491849.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> <200505311209.51871.niclas@hedhman.org> <51182.10.0.0.1.1117543882.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> <200506010124.05464.niclas@hedhman.org> <52764.10.0.0.1.1117563969.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> <429CB1ED.3020806@apache.org> <429CB587.9090702@reverycodes.com> <53113.10.0.0.1.1117567410.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> In-Reply-To: <53113.10.0.0.1.1117567410.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSLExtreme-MailGate-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DSLExtreme-MailGate: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: ralph.goers@dslextreme.com X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Antonio Gallardo wrote: >On Mar, 31 de Mayo de 2005, 14:05, Vadim Gritsenko dijo: > > >>>>Is time to moving setup log4j as our default logging package. >>>> >>>>Is that OK? >>>> >>>> >>-1 >> >> I'm also -1. I might consider replacing logkit with UGLI, but not LOG4J directly. However, (a) UGLI is part of LOG4J 1.3 which is still alpha, (b) an analysis needs to be done to determine how UGLI performs compared to logkit, and (c) it needs to be determined if there will be any deployment problems (i.e what if Weblogic/JBoss/Websphere ships its own UGLI jar and requires that it be used). > >Can you explain your reasons? Is better to stay when the porject is then >and even on the internet is not javadocs site to point from our docs? > > 1. logkit isn't exactly dead. It doesn't seem like it has any known problems and it does what it was designed to do. Your statement implies that once a project matures and fulfills its purpose that it should then be abandoned because no new development is being done. That doesn't make sense. 2. If there was a large concern, Cocoon could certainly fork its own copy of logkit. I see no need for this though. >Seems like the Logkit situation is going worse with time. Until when we >will stay tied to this dead project? > > > How is it getting worse? >> >> >>>haven't we already discussed this several times and always decided not >>>to change it? >>> >>> >>+1 >> >> > >Well, I think it is time to discuss again. > > -1. Nothing has changed. >Best Regards, > >Antonio Gallardo > > Ralph