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From "Antonio Gallardo" <agalla...@agssa.net>
Subject Re: Planet Cocoon license and reuse of docs
Date Tue, 24 May 2005 21:17:49 GMT
On Mar, 24 de Mayo de 2005, 16:09, Upayavira dijo:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>> On Mar, 24 de Mayo de 2005, 15:35, Sylvain Wallez dijo:
>>
>>>Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The second important thing I notice in your remark is the argument
>>>>that people here know Cocoon but not PHP. But it's exactly our point :
>>>>we don't think Cocoon documentation should remain between Cocoon
>>>>developers and that's also why we chose a PHP based CMS : because
>>>>people are used to it, to its structures, to its customs. Right now
>>>>it's much more natural than any Cocoon-based solution. We consider
>>>>that documentation should not be written by developers and read by
>>>>users... everybody should be able to participate in the same effort
>>>>according to its own skills.
>>>>
>>>>Last but not least, our objective is precisely to make documentation
>>>>writing completely independent from the unerlying technologies, so
>>>>nobody should need to know neither Cocoon nor PHP to write
>>>>documentation (yes a little bit of Cocoon should be useful if one
>>>>wants his content to be useful but... you got my point)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sorry, but this is plain bullshit blabla to ease the pain of not
>>>using our own dog food.
>>>
>>>Cocoon is used by some huge content management systems all over the
>>>world. And it wouldn't be suitable to manage its own docs? People will
>>>laugh at us and go away.
>>
>>
>> Sorry to get my spoon in this thread. Sylvain POV is valid. To make the
>> things clear, the problem related to cocoon docs was and IS content
>> related. No one technology is not going to automatically write the
>> Cocoon
>> documentation for us now. We need people that write it.
>>
>> We have great CMS cocoon based as Apache Lenya or Daisy. Also there is
>> Apache Forrest. All of them can manage this task. But again the problem
>> is
>> not about the technology.
>
> That is not correct. To use Forrest, Lenya, Daisy, or Drupal, for that
> matter, you need to be familiar with it. Mark is familiar with Drupal,
> so it is what he used.
>
> As I have said previously, people who want to write docs aren't
> necessarily the same people who want to learn and install (or even
> write) content management systems. If we want people to use a Cocoon
> based CMS, then we need to give them one! I.e. install it somewhere, set
> up the systems so that people who want to write content can just do it,
> without having to learn to use SVN, to download Forrest, etc, etc. No,
> just go to a website, click 'add', and start typing.

I think we crossed out mails. ;-) Please see my just few minutes before
answer related to apache zones? ;-)

For example, lenya already started his own:

http://lenya.zones.apache.org:8888/

Best Regards,

Antoino Gallardo


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