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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:03:11 +0100
From: Upayavira <uv@upaya.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Do we want a GUI installer?
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Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
> Upayavira wrote:
> 
>> Skip Carter wrote:
>>
>>> I'd rather not see one.  At least if one is developed,
>>> there needs remain to be a way to install from the command
>>> line.  ALL of my cocoon installations are on headless systems,
>>> and some of them are remote, so a GUI is not really very practical.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no way that such an installer would replace the current 
>> system, merely augment it. This installer is nothing more than a 
>> wrapper around our existing Ant scripts anyway. After all, many Cocoon 
>> installations are on headless servers. The intention was to smooth 
>> over that early stage of usage when someone is at the beginning of 
>> learning Cocoon. Throwing them into having to copy and edit text files 
>> when they first start IMO introduces complexity that they could well 
>> do with learning a little later in their involvement with Cocoon.
>>
>> But, having said that, it doesn't seem like people are that keen on 
>> the idea anyway.
> 
> 
> If the user can get all the way to start Jetty with our demos through a 
> simple GUI, I find it a good idea. Even if I'm perfectly able to read a 
> README and run ant or make when I evaluate some new software, IMO the 
> sooner I can start to evaluate what it does the better.
> 
> The easier we can make using Cocoon, the better IMO. Cocoon is an 
> excelent tool for complicted stuff, my goal is to help making simple 
> things simple ;) So if you can fix the licence problems you have my +1 
> at least.

That's my thinking too. If we want to put complexity in front of people 
to scare them away, we just need to put Cocoon in front of them :-)

Regards, Upayavira