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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: [RT] How scripting made me hate java
Date Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:41:20 GMT
Sylvain Wallez wrote:

> I agree with all the things you said, and today's Cocoon is so 
> powerful and so productive that hacking together an application is 
> fast, very fast and many people don't see the need to go down to Java 
> code and/or consider its distance with scripting techniques too high 
> both in terms of verbosity and try/fail period.
> A script-like Java leveraging the compiling classloader would 
> certainly help, but it's not enough, since just as you say yourself, 
> you cannot find your way in that code as soon as it's a bit in 
> Cocoon's internals.
> So one big problem again here is documentation. Not user-level docs 
> that has been identified as a problem for long an which is currently 
> considered seriously thanks to Reinhard, but developer-level 
> documentation. We can reasonably suspect that many potential 
> developers try to find they way in the code but go away because the 
> internals are poorly documented. And this includes both source-file 
> docs (javadocs & comments) and higher-level big pictures.
One of the items on my task list at work is to create a "Presentation 
Framework Developer's Guide" in my infinite spare time.  So far, all I 
have is an outline.  I've attached it just because I think it would be a 
valuable document for everyone - once it actually contains something.


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