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From Mark Lowe <>
Subject Re: Dependencies
Date Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:53:31 GMT
I pretty much use maven.xml much like a build.xml and have hadn't any
real issues, you don't even need to use the ant tags namespace.

Its not a question of maven, the problem I'm trying to get around is a
checkout and build style build with no additional hoops to jump
through. I know you guys seem to think that cocoon is in someway a
better kettle of fish to struts, but checkout struts out of cvs and
build "look no hoops!!!". The "don't let you friends commit to
projects" or something to that effect I noticed on this list was
frankly laughable.

Ant or maven cocoon needs building from source, rather than describe
this as a bug with cocoon, you say its nothing to do with you and just
define another hoop.

Ant or maven the first step would be to have the dependencies for a
release builds available on a maven style repository. Then the src of
cocoon could be compiled against that, at the very least when the
ant/maven file downloads the source it could be just the source and
not a bunch of jar files in CVS.

I'll investigate further and see if I can get some time to submit each
of the dependencies to ibiblio. Basically I want to get the
hoop-jumping down to pointing to the cocoon source and build (a
project with a standard directory struture).


On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:46:58 +0000, Paul Russell
<> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:26:44 -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi
> <> wrote:
> > Ralph Goers wrote:
> > > I believe what you are suggesting would require that the Cocoon build be
> > > converted to use Maven.  While I personally would welcome that, this has
> > > been discussed before and for some reason several committers won't
> > > support that. Sorry.
> > I was the one pushing back for that. Since then I've taken a deep
> > review of Maven and I like some of the archiectural concepts.
> > So, saying "no way" is a little bit too much. I would welcome if
> > somebody tried and did it and it worked.
> I would tend to agree - I've used maven a little recently, despite
> initially disliking it, and I have to say, it works. There are
> significant chunks of it I still don't like (personally, I think it
> needs significant re-design -- I'd prefer to see it built on top of a
> proper plug-in architecture like Hivemind), but it does do the job
> well, providing you use it for what it's designed for: building one
> thing at a time. Try and use it the way you'd use Ant, and you're in
> for a bumpy ride. Personally, I've started about 5 projects internally
> using Maven in as many months, and none using raw Ant during the same
> period.
> > But I have no energy/time/will/itch-to-scratch to do it myself.
> Same problem here :(
> Paul

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