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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:27:14 -0500
From: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Creation of a french-speaking users list
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Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> We discussed this a bit on the PMC list, and we now need some formal 
> decision in the open about this.
> 
> Over time, I found many people in France using Cocoon but not subscribed 
> to the ASF mailing lists. I asked myself the reason for this and 
> discussed with some of these people.
> 
> The main reason seems to be related to language problems. Many french 
> people aren't fluent in english, and although they can read english 
> (they have to anyway if they use Cocoon), they never write in english 
> and therefore don't consider themselves to be able to post on an 
> english-speaking list. Another problem is the list traffic. Receiving 
> loads of mails written in a language you don't master is frightening for 
> many people.
> 
> Therefore, a very large part of Cocoon users in France have no link with 
> the community and "just use" Cocoon. And because of that, they don't use 
> it very well, as their only source of information is - ahem - the docs.
> 
> So I've been thinking for some time about creating a french-speaking 
> mailing-list and website about Cocoon. I was fearing about community 
> fragmentation, but I don't think this is a real problem as these people 
> aren't currently part of the community. On the contrary, this may create 
> a prolongation of the Cocoon community, both because french-speaking 
> people subscribed the current lists will be on the new list, and also 
> because it may make people more confident about their ability to post 
> questions on the english lists.
> 
> Yesterday, I sent a quick poll about this on two french-speaking lists 
> where I know there are some Cocoon users and received a very positive 
> feedback, with about 10 people (disclaimer: they are *not* my customers) 
> saying they would participate actively.
> 
> Therefore, I would like to create a new mailing list, 
> users-fr@cocoon.apache.org and a few pages in french on the website. 
> Those pages will be a translation of the introductory pages of our site, 
> and pointers to the mailing list and its archives. I do not plan to 
> provide a full translation of the website (lot of tedious work for 
> translating and syncing).
> 
> Bertrand already offered to moderate this list, and I of course also 
> volunteer for this.
> 
> Please cast your votes.
> 
> Here's my +1.

+1 for users-fr@cocoon.apache.org

-- 
Stefano.