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From Sylvain Wallez <>
Subject [VOTE] Creation of a french-speaking users list
Date Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:13:39 GMT

We discussed this a bit on the PMC list, and we now need some formal 
decision in the open about this.

Over time, I found many people in France using Cocoon but not subscribed 
to the ASF mailing lists. I asked myself the reason for this and 
discussed with some of these people.

The main reason seems to be related to language problems. Many french 
people aren't fluent in english, and although they can read english 
(they have to anyway if they use Cocoon), they never write in english 
and therefore don't consider themselves to be able to post on an 
english-speaking list. Another problem is the list traffic. Receiving 
loads of mails written in a language you don't master is frightening for 
many people.

Therefore, a very large part of Cocoon users in France have no link with 
the community and "just use" Cocoon. And because of that, they don't use 
it very well, as their only source of information is - ahem - the docs.

So I've been thinking for some time about creating a french-speaking 
mailing-list and website about Cocoon. I was fearing about community 
fragmentation, but I don't think this is a real problem as these people 
aren't currently part of the community. On the contrary, this may create 
a prolongation of the Cocoon community, both because french-speaking 
people subscribed the current lists will be on the new list, and also 
because it may make people more confident about their ability to post 
questions on the english lists.

Yesterday, I sent a quick poll about this on two french-speaking lists 
where I know there are some Cocoon users and received a very positive 
feedback, with about 10 people (disclaimer: they are *not* my customers) 
saying they would participate actively.

Therefore, I would like to create a new mailing list, and a few pages in french on the website. 
Those pages will be a translation of the introductory pages of our site, 
and pointers to the mailing list and its archives. I do not plan to 
provide a full translation of the website (lot of tedious work for 
translating and syncing).

Bertrand already offered to moderate this list, and I of course also 
volunteer for this.

Please cast your votes.

Here's my +1.


Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies 
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }

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