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From Glen Ezkovich <>
Subject Re: [RT] Escaping Sitemap Hell
Date Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:38:35 GMT

On Jan 7, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Peter Hunsberger wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:28:06 -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi
> <> wrote:
>> See? the problem is that you are partitioning the matching space with
>> URL matchers... I strongly feel that most of the problems that Daniel
>> (and you) are outlining will just go away if you used non-URL 
>> matchers.
> Although I agree that 90% of the problem seems to be a matcher issue
> I've got to ask; what would the matchers be matching on if it's not a
> URL?  I have a couple answers, but I'd like other opinions...
> It seems to me that Daniel might be coming at this from a mostly
> application POV.  If so, for such cases, I think you can't _always_ be
> quite as dogmatic about how a URL is structured; for many apps there's
> little to no exectation of long term URI persistance/repeatability.

I don't see this. The application is the resource and it is the 
application that should have a unique identifier. If the application 
allows a user to perform multiple tasks you may want to consider each 
task a resource. The persistence of the URI in general is not that 
important from a users perspective since the URI identifies a resource 
that might be reachable from multiple URLs. What is important is that 
the URL that a user uses to reach an application persist and not change 
as long as users may use the application. We may not expect to see 
identical results each time we access but 
we do expect to get the current weather forecast for New Orleans. If switched the URI/L to, 
as a user I would be perturbed to say the least.

As far as dogmatism and URL structure goes, you can always be dogmatic 
in the way you structure them. ;-)  The problem with dogmatism is that 
it does not always lead to the best solution for a given case. Then 
again sometimes it does.

Glen Ezkovich
HardBop Consulting
glen at

A Proverb for Paranoids:
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to 
worry about answers."
- Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

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