Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 50428 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2004 15:34:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 15:34:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 71619 invoked by uid 500); 4 Dec 2004 15:34:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 71587 invoked by uid 500); 4 Dec 2004 15:34:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 71573 invoked by uid 99); 4 Dec 2004 15:34:55 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from 66.111.0.243.nyinternet.net (HELO confixx.bestiole.ch) (66.111.0.243) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:34:54 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.34] (lsn-boi-catv-c126-p138.vtx.ch [212.147.126.138]) by confixx.bestiole.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB4FYCH23103 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:34:12 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <41B1B823.20409@nada.kth.se> References: <41B0D196.5080707@apache.org> <41B0DC2D.203@bitflux.ch> <41B1B823.20409@nada.kth.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--686802816; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: From: Bertrand Delacretaz Subject: Re: [RT] do me a favor, don't call them taglibs (TAL-like two-step templating?) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:34:08 +0100 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-5--686802816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Le 4 d=E9c. 04, =E0 14:14, Daniel Fagerstrom a =E9crit : > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >> ...b) "presentation templates" downstream to convert the XML to HTML=20= >> or other presentation markup (currently covered by XSLT, far from=20 >> ideal) >> ...For b), being dreamweaver-compatible would be a big plus, allowing=20= >> less technical people to create templates themselves.... > > b) would be nice but it is quite complicated to implement in an=20 > efficient way. One can of course stream the transformer input to a DOM=20= > tree that is made available in the context object and then let a JXTG=20= > like script work on that. But the question is if we would be happy wih=20= > the performance... It's hard to say without trying it, but IIUC we can essentially get=20 this (i.e. reuse the data-to-XML templating mechanism for downstream=20 transformations) for free, if taken into acount in the design. Just a=20 simple stream-to-DOM implementation would allow people to experiment. And it might make a big difference, from the users point of view, by=20 making it possible to use a single tool for the whole presentation=20 pipeline, and making presentation templates way easier than raw XSLT,=20 which is a major stumbling block for many people. We might want to make it work first, to see how much people like it. If=20= they like it, I'm sure someone will find a way to make it fast, if=20 needed. -Bertrand --Apple-Mail-5--686802816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGRTCCAv4w ggJnoAMCAQICAw0p3DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQxMDA0MTQyMzU0WhcNMDUxMDA0MTQyMzU0WjBtMRMwEQYDVQQE EwpEZWxhY3JldGF6MREwDwYDVQQqEwhCZXJ0cmFuZDEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQmVydHJhbmQgRGVsYWNy ZXRhejElMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYWYmRlbGFjcmV0YXpAYXBhY2hlLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALXTKyJRGv/islEqVhG+iE8FSGe+4ikts9rca6OUPD4CJ+vYcXS5 arpv87lSoi0cyC8QkjB6MzsXzsraQjyO3EOeFOcNWN1XFe0Qc2uqVBSdYM6LtaSs4A1OYSweKKFK iNscMmlsIIKXvZ8xb4QmbZZSkklh5tWdJh+aNNV0m++NEUXRsqRffz6eHRmf0RjYmwxBig3KpzmH dPAcGTtDcI9O7p2OpQ7zPFAt9n4tMPx6makpU97HeGKqvWPIaaprQa/4nLhTcWDaZ1AHyFYNhzru gyRI0SDyp6OijuUZKXsaESJWEEySke18l6aZbsflzXpoCMTS9ce93fJ0uBFax/kCAwEAAaMzMDEw IQYDVR0RBBowGIEWYmRlbGFjcmV0YXpAYXBhY2hlLm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBAUAA4GBAEBia6WrujKxJoVkme3aFszr/WmH4x+mIj+AmrAVG2tGB+RO0yCK/aal3wLzMBYn O6zr7TPW2PqOUmMGeP7Pgr5KSMn4rlfM+Hdfd/IvqCpHuWcqq/VAto47XF2cZyGNw32EdGx8IeCe 6BFaoRh6yJdS3GkOnbqSNCVTih/PdRlxMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB 0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3du MRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2 aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJ KoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoX DTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5n IChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENB MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31 W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3 PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIG A1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29t L1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAc MRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswN o2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSe JVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/ XV9lTzGCAucwggLjAgEBMGkwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0 aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5n IENBAgMNKdwwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAVMwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQUxDxcNMDQxMjA0MTUzNDA5WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUq0XPhQOOmO31gRRZ/ZXewNp1 ZaYweAYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMWswaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1 bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3Vp bmcgQ0ECAw0p3DB6BgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzFroGkwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRo YXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAgMNKdwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAbxPApzFG5rnhWE9hrswdKQf0 int1zAke/0pQbRfHfz+ZYHqsWVd4bt+eF8/m7U3o3uxsudY/VlOBqRSYOjZRgnZavv+BcXNAr4G+ U1oM6LTyetxLMn4kjU2GHOltfkRpPmte/itSEZt9ssSFSId4MbgpI0ICGGUezhprnhx14hwetPL+ Q4XUiHrk37bzoh2N/LKDAN2CK7WCDaiGHHfJEdWNIV3LcvKkw3SgviOab9Y531y2rKc84DBHWTCn c64axtOb6DmSbRYY3NzL1GPAtpGdtKOhLA5LedVORcEPmxHmM9FNH4FS5AG6LfmXPgDWL41bAyyb 7Lr7m3SxeaaakQAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-5--686802816--