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From Glen Ezkovich <>
Subject Re: Multiple forms on one page
Date Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:52:34 GMT
Some how I missed this yesterday when I sent my post and consequently 
sent garbage. I apologize for the noise.

On Nov 22, 2004, at 4:12 AM, Reinhard Poetz wrote:

> Upayavira wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I need to put two forms onto one page.
>> Scenario: a homepage showing a selection of 'products', displayed as 
>> a repeater on a form, and a login form.
>> These need to be separate HTML forms, so that typing into a box and 
>> pressing enter submits the relevant form.
>> Is there a way to do this without having to go all the way and 
>> aggregate two completely separate pipelines? Having to do the this 
>> for just one page would be a real pain.
>> Thanks for any ideas.
> AFAIK this is an open issue for cForms. Therefore I move it over to 
> dev-list.
> I think one problem is our flowscript API:

This is exactly what I was thinking.

>  var form = new Form("...");
>"mypipeline", bizdata);
> This way you can only show one form a page. Maybe we can do somethink 
> like
>  var multiform = new Multiform({form1 : form1, form2 : form2);
>"myMultiformPipeline", bizdata);

I think where we see thing differently is that I would rather have the 
forms as just part of a page, i.e. 
cocoon.sendFormPage("formTemplate.xml", {"bizdata": bizdata}, 
{"formURI1", "formURI2", ..., "formURIn"})

Actually, I would like it better if the forms can just be referenced in 
the template and sendFormPage returns an array of Forms. I'm not sure 
what type of performance hit this might cause.

> The next step would have to be an enhancement of the forms transformer 
> because it would have to render more than one form. This would 
> probably require a unique id in the forms template. This id needs to 
> be the same as the id used in "new Multiform(...)".

One of the ideas I've been tossing about is the notion of named forms. 
Now when I say named forms I don't necessarily mean an arbitrary name, 
since it seems obvious that names should be unique. It could simply be 
the URI of the form; forms/myForm.xml. This, I think would work for 
your unique ID as well.

In a recent proof of concept project not only did we needed multiple 
forms per page but we discovered that we had many forms that shared 
groups of information such as address information. It would have been 
nice to be able to create the form definition and the form template 
just once and just include it in other forms that needed to display or 
collect that information. (I know it is possible but not 

As an example of what I have in mind is something along the lines of 
the following:

	In wholeForm.xml:

			<fd:include name="name" submit="false"/>
			<fd:include name="address" submit="true"/>
			<fd:include name="someOtherStuff" submit="action" 
action-command="doThis" on-action="whatever"/>
			<fd:submit id="alldone" action-command="..." validate="true">

And in wholeFormTemplate.xml

	<ft:form-template action="#{$continuation/id}.continue" method="POST">
		<ft:include name="name"/>
		<ft:include name="address"/>
		<ft:include name="someOtherStuff"/>
		<ft:widget id="alldone"/>

My thinking at the time was that named forms would solve both multiple 
forms per page and shared form elements. I now see the two issues are 
independent but named forms would make the use of multi-form pages 
easier by simply allowing passing the form names to the showFormPage 

As I mentioned above, form names could be just their URI, but they 
could also be specified in the sitemap allowing for simple form 
replacement. While I realize this is a huge undertaking since it 
touches many pieces, it does not have to break backwards compatibility.

If the project proceeds I will scratch this itch. If it doesn't I may 
have a lot of time on my hands ;-0 and a lot of nervous scratching 
might take place anyway.

Again, any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

Glen Ezkovich
HardBop Consulting
glen at

A Proverb for Paranoids:
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to 
worry about answers."
- Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

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