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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:54:53 -0400
From: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>
Organization: Apache Software Foundation
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove excalibur instrumentation support from 2.2
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Carsten Ziegeler wrote:

> The ECM++ is now integrated in 2.2 and it seems that most things
> are running again - even simple XSP pages (haven't tested more yet).
> 
> Now, as I mentioned earlier, one idea of ECM++ is to support only those
> interfaces/features that we really need.
> 
> One candidate in this category is obviously the instrumentation
> support - the current version of ECM++ doesn't support it.
> 
> I think we should remove the support for excalibur instrumentation
> completly from our 2.2 code base, because:
> - only one single class in our whole repository is using instrumentation
>   (the continuation manager)
> - instrumentation can be seen as a proprietary solution that noone else is
> using
> - when we will have real blocks we will need other instrumentation
> mechanisms anyway as we don't want to depend on excalibur in this case. So
> migrating earlier is better.
> 
> Now, don't get me wrong - excalibur instrumentation is really a nice
> project.
> 
> In the end when we think of real blocks we need another solution anyways -
> this could be JMX or something else, but it's most likely that it won't be
> excalibur instrumentation. So, imho it's better to move sooner (with 2.2),
> remove the
> instrumentation code, add a different solution and start using that
> throughout
> Cocoon.
> Cocoon is not really affected by the removal, it might only affect users
> that are using the instrumentation for their applications. So these users
> would have to migrate to whatever we build into 2.2 then. 
> 
> If the result of this vote is to support instrumentation in 2.2, the missing
> code can be added to ECM++ without major problems.
> 
> So, please cast your votes on removing the support starting with 2.2:

+1

Carsten, one thing, when you remove a dependency, please update the 
gump.xml descriptor too!

-- 
Stefano.


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