Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 19657 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2004 19:40:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 19:40:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 32189 invoked by uid 500); 15 Oct 2004 19:40:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 32067 invoked by uid 500); 15 Oct 2004 19:40:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 31908 invoked by uid 99); 15 Oct 2004 19:40:25 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [62.140.213.123] (HELO pulse.betaversion.org) (62.140.213.123) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:40:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 9442 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2004 19:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (stefano@127.0.0.1) by pulse.betaversion.org with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 19:40:21 -0000 Message-ID: <417027A0.4020901@apache.org> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:40:16 -0700 From: Stefano Mazzocchi Organization: Apache Software Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Macintosh/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: [RT] Some notes about the "Real Blocks" issue References: <1E0CC447E59C974CA5C7160D2A2854EC02FECF10@SJMEMXMB04.stjude.sjcrh.local> In-Reply-To: <1E0CC447E59C974CA5C7160D2A2854EC02FECF10@SJMEMXMB04.stjude.sjcrh.local> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060408090304000708000702" X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060408090304000708000702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hunsberger, Peter wrote: > Maybe I'm > just too optimistic in believing there should be container > implementations mature enough for Cocoon to depend on? What *really* bothers me about this thread is the fact that very few seem to realize that "maturity" for dependencies means "stability of the contract and stability of the community". Avalon is dead. Excalibur is asleep. Spring is outside the ASF. Geronimo is still incubating. Can you see the pattern? History should teach people not to repeat the same mistakes again... but hey, what do I know, I've only been around here for 7 years. -- Stefano. --------------ms060408090304000708000702 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII7TCC AtEwggI6oAMCAQICAwsi0jANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UE ChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDMxMTEzMDE0OTU4WhcNMDQxMTEyMDE0OTU4 WjBEMR8wHQYDVQQDExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJz dGVmYW5vQGFwYWNoZS5vcmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC2CMYD GJqn0K4hpdDlpgbFlGxlFh2mp5EZyY3cu9nmp2wcl+vGn1Wcc103mshOV7BYHnBnR9CBNI5E /l/S/hKj0jgd0jH9/aKqmExZkLWsC7kCLANKPPDFl/sPGTHnpkQhvUbDjlUZa/h77oVFowBg IZjdJWadNzssPJ5wnGdfuYr+4ZI2xEWjH0tZY6V4TpILRg/jp3F6x/avqjNGBA1KOp6OzXdh 0RfvXEMEXDu6AZTD+flQxOjKp+IHtSO7suwkKg9ffx7Gh2LGKE24sBNE8SEPYHRtchutpQh9 YFW30HVgLgq9rM8lUx6JA7D4akj/A2Wc3tr+BBqpUkvgm3b/AgMBAAGjLzAtMB0GA1UdEQQW MBSBEnN0ZWZhbm9AYXBhY2hlLm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GB AGfFFcM8lPwGLk1c5dHqMMbvR+i9MAWCNVoA2mHloOHW3Lv0peihvloRht8+lIK4+LpoygMQ beh+piuu/tcP+Z8W0Gee1pPiy0WfDbg5ZHfNvUswUSkoBP/nxL1yoHifBffxIm5IZNIxIj/l fStsMv5X8Tb/+KZY4T+iU/QU5t6UMIIC0TCCAjqgAwIBAgIDCyLSMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUA MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQu MSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTAeFw0wMzEx MTMwMTQ5NThaFw0wNDExMTIwMTQ5NThaMEQxHzAdBgNVBAMTFlRoYXd0ZSBGcmVlbWFpbCBN ZW1iZXIxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN0ZWZhbm9AYXBhY2hlLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALYIxgMYmqfQriGl0OWmBsWUbGUWHaankRnJjdy72eanbByX 68afVZxzXTeayE5XsFgecGdH0IE0jkT+X9L+EqPSOB3SMf39oqqYTFmQtawLuQIsA0o88MWX +w8ZMeemRCG9RsOOVRlr+HvuhUWjAGAhmN0lZp03Oyw8nnCcZ1+5iv7hkjbERaMfS1ljpXhO kgtGD+OncXrH9q+qM0YEDUo6no7Nd2HRF+9cQwRcO7oBlMP5+VDE6Mqn4ge1I7uy7CQqD19/ HsaHYsYoTbiwE0TxIQ9gdG1yG62lCH1gVbfQdWAuCr2szyVTHokDsPhqSP8DZZze2v4EGqlS S+Cbdv8CAwEAAaMvMC0wHQYDVR0RBBYwFIESc3RlZmFub0BhcGFjaGUub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB /wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAZ8UVwzyU/AYuTVzl0eowxu9H6L0wBYI1WgDaYeWg 4dbcu/Sl6KG+WhGG3z6Ugrj4umjKAxBt6H6mK67+1w/5nxbQZ57Wk+LLRZ8NuDlkd829SzBR KSgE/+fEvXKgeJ8F9/Eibkhk0jEiP+V9K2wy/lfxNv/4pljhP6JT9BTm3pQwggM/MIICqKAD AgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVy biBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5n MSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtU aGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZy ZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoG A1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHy v1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsY Pge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0T AQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20v VGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQe MBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD 6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC 3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIDOzCCAzcCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMc VGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFs IEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwsi0jAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBpzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMx CwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNDEwMTUxOTQwMTZaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJ BDEWBBT+1y58caFZgpjMDoPsWqHm6k/7DzBSBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMH MA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIB KDB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29u c3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg SXNzdWluZyBDQQIDCyLSMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBl cnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwsi0jANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQAZtsKu yBkBX9WcZ6amsQW6jGeQdrj/MoAOTOAv0nN+S/Kk6BqngaBidNgl7epROhaKUUcK8/unaB81 l5powZhYZJK9qtwPUDq7TZuF/QW8x2JKn8l2r/5uoTCqKDlW/Pn7bb1xQQBNFIYR4A4EoLOB C6h8Ca3CFb9Oqzpsu3g1goWZeyqnT+c9ywVIK6D0IbcMFF9ZZiBdeiULY/cGE/vND0lrTNfW FCJ2Uzx47QjuZ0c9HAjQKG46FuddGCVnYNpiY6q2iD2QWYZezgYiXt2DhHBHUVTaGjKMGoF3 tj2UZd11L77qr52fScP2Lh6NpEnz4xAjGvDHvl2a8ko2jaqbAAAAAAAA --------------ms060408090304000708000702--