Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 52635 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2004 12:28:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 29 Oct 2004 12:28:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 49255 invoked by uid 500); 29 Oct 2004 12:28:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 49094 invoked by uid 500); 29 Oct 2004 12:28:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 49080 invoked by uid 99); 29 Oct 2004 12:28:37 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [66.111.0.243] (HELO confixx.bestiole.ch) (66.111.0.243) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:28:36 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.34] (lsn-boi-catv-c126-p138.vtx.ch [212.147.126.138]) by confixx.bestiole.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i9TCSVg15026 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:28:31 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <4182228C.3070006@apache.org> References: <4182228C.3070006@apache.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-55-486622189; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: <08455886-29A6-11D9-8DE4-000A95AF004E@apache.org> From: Bertrand Delacretaz Subject: Re: [RT] StringTemplate: The answer to our templating needs? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:28:26 +0200 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-55-486622189 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Le 29 oct. 04, =E0 12:59, Reinhard Poetz a =E9crit : >> Bart Molenkamp wrote: ... >> No, you're right - this is a possible danger. But as long as we only >> make it pluggable and be careful that we don't fall into this trap, >> I see no problem with it. > > The question is: Do we want to prevent our users from this or is it=20 > their own decision? Definitely their own decision. I think the "show the mainstream/correct way but don't block users from=20= doing whatever if they really want" attitude that we see in several=20 places in Cocoon is very powerful. It leaves space for people to be=20 experimental and (sometimes) find cool new ways of doing things. If you think about it this is the basic philosophy of unix: consider=20 your users as intelligent people and don't take them by the hand too=20 much. This is very powerful for platforms, and Cocoon *is* becoming a=20 platform. -Bertrand --Apple-Mail-55-486622189 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGRTCCAv4w ggJnoAMCAQICAw0p3DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQxMDA0MTQyMzU0WhcNMDUxMDA0MTQyMzU0WjBtMRMwEQYDVQQE EwpEZWxhY3JldGF6MREwDwYDVQQqEwhCZXJ0cmFuZDEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQmVydHJhbmQgRGVsYWNy ZXRhejElMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYWYmRlbGFjcmV0YXpAYXBhY2hlLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALXTKyJRGv/islEqVhG+iE8FSGe+4ikts9rca6OUPD4CJ+vYcXS5 arpv87lSoi0cyC8QkjB6MzsXzsraQjyO3EOeFOcNWN1XFe0Qc2uqVBSdYM6LtaSs4A1OYSweKKFK iNscMmlsIIKXvZ8xb4QmbZZSkklh5tWdJh+aNNV0m++NEUXRsqRffz6eHRmf0RjYmwxBig3KpzmH dPAcGTtDcI9O7p2OpQ7zPFAt9n4tMPx6makpU97HeGKqvWPIaaprQa/4nLhTcWDaZ1AHyFYNhzru gyRI0SDyp6OijuUZKXsaESJWEEySke18l6aZbsflzXpoCMTS9ce93fJ0uBFax/kCAwEAAaMzMDEw IQYDVR0RBBowGIEWYmRlbGFjcmV0YXpAYXBhY2hlLm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBAUAA4GBAEBia6WrujKxJoVkme3aFszr/WmH4x+mIj+AmrAVG2tGB+RO0yCK/aal3wLzMBYn O6zr7TPW2PqOUmMGeP7Pgr5KSMn4rlfM+Hdfd/IvqCpHuWcqq/VAto47XF2cZyGNw32EdGx8IeCe 6BFaoRh6yJdS3GkOnbqSNCVTih/PdRlxMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB 0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3du MRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2 aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJ KoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoX DTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5n IChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENB MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31 W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3 PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIG A1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29t L1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAc MRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswN o2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSe JVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/ XV9lTzGCAucwggLjAgEBMGkwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0 aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5n IENBAgMNKdwwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAVMwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQUxDxcNMDQxMDI5MTIyODI2WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU4loEm3oyzdxRqUygx7AF19V9 3RYweAYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMWswaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1 bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3Vp bmcgQ0ECAw0p3DB6BgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzFroGkwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRo YXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAgMNKdwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEACWlNK8GulOB0kMLHcoytWSAB VxebJGGjLdikDC88emo+Gqbav7cWPJjpY3iDULpkCLk/pYwplAAYmvHfJ4DklhoBwiOW6ALH343b VMX1hyhS1TOq8vMTa7B6Wip7GVxEGfpulAINGMrxKDMLyzaT06OchxugVeYgntjpc4HD2BDbteLU MMNeePgn8b0I4dILz2+7mOfJ208zzvD/3opt+tNw6UXuprk46EECud+Z/HzOoHRtQUN1P12heaW8 ucoJZ0u/NhMvxqDD4UPwe9Cz3RtrpYC/iiLfKdhl77CWJXM+y1zFMjIJ0K1+dCgoKDSu+TktG71z tT4KdYx2Da+DKgAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-55-486622189--