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From "Hunsberger, Peter" <Peter.Hunsber...@STJUDE.ORG>
Subject RE: [RT] Some notes about the "Real Blocks" issue
Date Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:01:45 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi <> writes:

> Hunsberger, Peter wrote:
>  > Maybe I'm
> > just too optimistic in believing there should be container 
> > implementations mature enough for Cocoon to depend on?
> What *really* bothers me about this thread is the fact that very few 
> seem to realize that "maturity" for dependencies means 
> "stability of the 
> contract and stability of the community".
> Avalon is dead.
> Excalibur is asleep.
> Spring is outside the ASF.
> Geronimo is still incubating.
> Can you see the pattern?

Umm, I don't really see a pattern here.  From everything I've seen the
communities involved with Spring and Geronimo have little in common with
the Avalon/Excalibur communities. (Let me qualify that by saying I
haven't looked that closely.) More-over, they both have the advantage of
being able to look at past history and learn from it.  

> History should teach people not to repeat the same mistakes 
> again... but hey, what do I know, I've only been around here for 7

Many people have learned many things both technically and community wise
in the past 7 years. If it is really this bad why aren't we writing our
own XML parsers and XSLT engines?  After all they are as critical to
Cocoon as the containers.  Why not take it all the way and write our own

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