Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 18414 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 07:19:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 07:19:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 46937 invoked by uid 500); 22 Jul 2004 07:19:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 46672 invoked by uid 500); 22 Jul 2004 07:19:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 46653 invoked by uid 99); 22 Jul 2004 07:19:05 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [80.91.224.249] (HELO main.gmane.org) (80.91.224.249) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:19:04 -0700 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BnXr0-0002cn-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:19:02 +0200 Received: from 62.225.162.81 ([62.225.162.81]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:18:58 +0200 Received: from jh by 62.225.162.81 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:18:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: dev@cocoon.apache.org From: Jorg Heymans Subject: Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:17:18 +0200 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <6E851946-D1BE-11D8-9CA9-000A95DC4186@apache.org> <40EF147C.9090007@apache.org> <40F27A99.2090404@outerthought.org> <40F2A588.1000103@apache.org> <40F2BB03.8080808@outerthought.org> <5DA3782E-DB55-11D8-BCCA-000A95DC4186@apache.org> <40FEF9D2.5080208@apache.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.225.162.81 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <40FEF9D2.5080208@apache.org> Sender: news X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > Ugo, > > tests help but don't really buy us anything: have a community that is > strong and diverse enough to do the regression testing for us. In a commercial world this would sound like : "Have enough customers that are willing to put up with the bugs we could (might) have caught with better unit-test coverage". That doesn't sound so positive anymore now does it? Regards Jorg