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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:59:19 +0300 (EEST)
From: gounis@osmosis.gr
To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
Cc: Jens Maukisch <cocoon@maukisch.net>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Web based GUI development environment for Cocoon
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hi people
i'm not a developer in cocoon community but i want to say somenthing about 
this thread. A GUI will be a great step forward in cocoon proj. many 
people that use cocoon use allready an IDE. so why this GUI will be an 
stand alone WEB-based or not application and not just a part of an 
existing IDE. A netbeans module for example?


--stavros


On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Leszek Gawron wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 11:25:33AM +0200, Jens Maukisch wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > > I propose we create a web based GUI development environment for Cocoon
> > > build using Cocoon technology, such as CForms, flow, portals, etc.
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > WDYT?
> > 
> > Hmm, a webapplication for developing webapplications seems a little
> > bit strange for me :-)
> > 
> > Wouldn't it be better to have a 'real' ide (e.g. based on eclipse).
> > Maybe the upcoming Eclipse Web Tools Platform Project (with some
> > nice contributions form IBM:
> > http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~dar/wdt/ibm.html) and other available tools
> > are a good point to start/extend.
> There is a tool that uses both (commercial). It's called W4Toolkit. Strange
> really :))
> 
> I am also in favour of eclipse as one would have one place to 
> - code in Java
> - edit XML files
> - edit sitemap (sunBow)
> - build up forms (cocoon GUI)
> 
> using a non-web IDE would make the implementation much simpler I think as
> after the application reaches some point of complexity it is a nightmare to
> provide a good and flexible GUI.
> 
> Remember that developers usually do not use the mouse so often - keyboard is
> much faster if you know the shortcuts. The standard application can also make
> use of other features like drag'n'drop or executing external applications.
> 
> 	lg
>