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From Leon Widdershoven <...@dds.nl>
Subject Re: OT: [RT] Use of flowscript or the pyramid of contracts
Date Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:42:27 GMT
Just curious (also:),

how much work is it to set up for a given database?

Leon

leo leonid wrote:
> Hi all,
> just curious, did ever someone in cocoonland, except me, use the 
> SQL-Maps and DAO-Framework from ibatis ( www.ibatis.com ). This is from 
> where Chris borrowed the Petstore sample, that he ported to flow. And 
> that was the simple reason why I hit upon these tools, that I use since, 
> contently.
> 
> I never tried something similar before and since, so I can't rate it, or 
> even compare it, with the tools you use (Hibernate OJB,..)  so, comments 
> would be very appreciated.
> 
> For training with these tools, I half backported the petstore flow 
> sample, so that it uses flow only for controller things, but leaving all 
> business logic under the responsibility of SQL-Maps/DAO. If there is an 
> interest, I could finish and contribute this alternative petstore sample.
> 
> /leo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Leon Widdershoven wrote:
> 
>> I had a task to write a web interface to a table with 300
>> columns. The column names were still in flux.
>> I really did not feel to write 300 elaborate column definitions.
>> XML is very readable, but it was too verbose for me at the time.
>>
>> And as you say, it looks a very daunting task and that's what
>> most starting users probably think. And if they, because of that,
>> start with xsp and esql (which admittedly is very easy) the
>> going forth to yet another language and framework can be
>> inconvenient. Especially when you get paid to write applications,
>> not learn frameworks:)
>>
>> But I'm glad to hear that Hibernate is quite easy to start with.
>> The moment I get some time off I will certainly jump in the
>> deep and try to survive:)
>>
>> Leon
>>
>> Leszek Gawron wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 12:32:38PM +0200, Leon Widdershoven wrote:
>>>
>>>> To me, hibernate is overkill and yet another thing to manage. The
>>>> advantage of esql is that it is simple, and has a single layer access
>>>> to the database.
>>>>
>>>> Hibernate is more complicated to set up, and then has to be maintained.
>>>> If you use plain SQL, only the queries have to be maintained. If you
>>>> use hibernate, it also has to be maintained.
>>>>
>>>> For plain old statements like select * from foo where 
>>>> bla=<xsp:request.../>
>>>> it's just overkill to me.
>>>>
>>>> I do think hibernate is very good - for advanced usage. I think it
>>>> is a shame that people are forced to either use xsp or use plain
>>>> java.sql access to the database in flowscript.
>>>
>>> You are not right. Setting up hibernate and writing first application
>>> consisting of 5 tables took me 1 hour. For two weeks I been gathering 
>>> strength
>>> to do that because I've been as scared as you are :)
>>>     lg
>>
>>
> 

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