Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 93311 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 17:35:41 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 17:35:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 80910 invoked by uid 500); 24 Mar 2004 17:35:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 80871 invoked by uid 500); 24 Mar 2004 17:35:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 80856 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 17:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO main.gmane.org) (80.91.224.249) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 17:35:32 -0000 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6CHs-0005Pr-00 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:35:32 +0100 Received: from 212.222.194.100 ([212.222.194.100]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:35:32 +0100 Received: from jh by 212.222.194.100 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:35:32 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: dev@cocoon.apache.org From: Jorg Heymans Subject: Re: [RT] On building on stone Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:34:01 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <40603ACA.2070303@apache.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.222.194.100 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird M5 (20040119) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Sender: news X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > * Increasing burden on potential users in that they have to learn > yet another container. As several folks have pointed out, there > are many containers. Too many for anyone developer to ever really > understand. > agree, YAC(tm) Yet Another Container to learn - now that i grasped the avalon stuff and was going to start using it heavily on other projects as well (and reusing my cocoon avalon components on the way - nifty!). This thread makes me wonder if i should still invest any time in Avalon based development at all. All this negative stuff about its community and future is not so visible to normal-developer-user eyes, well for me it was an eye-opener (pun intented). Jorg