Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 34340 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 16:36:35 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 16:36:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 98286 invoked by uid 500); 31 Mar 2004 16:36:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 98237 invoked by uid 500); 31 Mar 2004 16:36:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 98215 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 16:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mhub-w6.tc.umn.edu) (160.94.160.36) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 16:36:24 -0000 Received: from umn.edu (rose.ce.umn.edu [134.84.148.222] (may be forged)) by mhub-w6.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for dev@cocoon.apache.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:36:27 -0600 (CST) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] rose.ce.umn.edu [134.84.148.222] #+HF+LO Message-ID: <406AF3B7.7040703@umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:37:11 -0600 From: Tony Collen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: [OT] Russell Beattie on Java, PHP web development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Found this in my news aggregator today: http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/1007175.html He brings up a lot of interesting points... why do something "right" if it's complex and hard to understand, when you can do something "the wrong way" and get by with having code that works, but it's easy to develop? Is there a name for this type of development? Solution-Oriented Programming? Functional Development? Useful Coding? I mean, just imagine how cool Java programming would become if this sort of thing got as popular as that Pattern fad that came through not too long ago? It'd be so fun! Does Cocoon fall into this type of solution, or do we spend too much time "doing the right thing"? Russell has previously stated that he thinks Cocoon is to complex, and requires too much work to get up to speed. Flowscript definitely revolutionizes web development, I think we just need to prove it to people that it's worth their time... the problem is that if they have to learn all of the other stuff to go along with it, they'll easily get turned off, and run back to PHP and The Old Way Of Doing Things. Tony