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Would it be possible to implement this as a plugin in Cocoon?  This could be
done by requiring adherence to the current JSR 107 spec (assuming you can
find it).
 
While the default could be JCS, other alternatives are
jcache.sourceforge.net, Tangosol Coherence, Spiritsoft and who knows what
else.  This would also make it easier to swap to another caching
implementation should JCS turn out to have significant problems.
 
Since we are already using Tangosol in our EJB container it would be nice to
be able to leverage it in Cocoon as well.
 
I'm assuming, of course, that JCS isn't providing stuff beyond JSR 107 that
you absolutely need.
 
Ralph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Corin Moss [mailto:Corin.Moss@tvnz.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 6:42 PM
To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
Subject: Store options
 
Hi Guys, 
Sorry to bring this one up again, has anyone given any more thought to
options for a cache / store implementation?  My feeling at the moment is
that JCS is the best of an imperfect bunch.   There are definitely some
problems in its implementation of JSR-107, but I really like the
functionality it does have.  From what I can tell, JCS has not been very
well cared for over the last year or so.  The core developers don't have a
lot of time to work on it.  Is there any way we can get the ASF to (perhaps)
take JCS out of Turbine and put it into an incubator of its own, or promote
JCS as a project as part of Cocoon or Avalon?
I really think that there is some great work done there, in danger of
getting lost.  It is certainly a better approach (IMHO) than starting off
developing another caching / store system.
WDYT? 
Corin 
Corin Moss 
Lead Developer 
TVNZ Interactive 
+64 9 916 7367 
+64 21 403 054 
corin.moss@tvnz.co.nz 
 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Corin Moss
[mailto:Corin.Moss@tvnz.co.nz]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 09, =
2004 6:42
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
dev@cocoon.apache.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Store =
options</span></font></p>

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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sorry to bring this one up again, has =
anyone
given any more thought to options for a cache / store =
implementation?&nbsp; My
feeling at the moment is that JCS is the best of an imperfect
bunch.&nbsp;&nbsp; There are definitely some problems in its =
implementation of
JSR-107, but I really like the functionality it does have.&nbsp; From =
what I
can tell, JCS has not been very well cared for over the last year or =
so.&nbsp;
The core developers don't have a lot of time to work on it.&nbsp; Is =
there any
way we can get the ASF to (perhaps) take JCS out of Turbine and put it =
into an
incubator of its own, or promote JCS as a project as part of Cocoon or =
Avalon?</span></font><font
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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work
done there, in danger of getting lost.&nbsp; It is certainly a better =
approach
(IMHO) than starting off developing another caching / store =
system.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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