Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 98435 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 21:34:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 86110 invoked by uid 500); 20 Feb 2004 21:33:50 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 86073 invoked by uid 500); 20 Feb 2004 21:33:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 86060 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 21:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dd2020.kasserver.com) (81.209.148.130) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 21:33:50 -0000 Received: from vafer.org (p508655A0.dip.t-dialin.net [80.134.85.160]) by dd2020.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A364BB8BE; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:32:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <40367DF7.5050301@vafer.org> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:36:55 +0100 From: Torsten Curdt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20030925 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org, coyote@coyotegulch.com Subject: Re: Of One-man Efforts and the like References: <1E0CC447E59C974CA5C7160D2A2854EC02FECC73@SJMEMXMB04.stjude.sjcrh.local> <40366A51.1020207@coyotegulch.com> In-Reply-To: <40366A51.1020207@coyotegulch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > I would *love* to spend time working on projects like Apache -- but I > haven't the luxury of free time. Do I think people can make money from > working on free software? Certainly -- my primary contract right now is > to write free software for a big British company (heh, they're > outsourcing to America). > > And while money is nice, I'm also willing to consider various designs > for mutually-beneficial arrangements. So the bottom line probably is... at least the Apache Cocoon community is very thankful for the existing free version. But instead of bugging you we would like to help fixing bugs and support what we use. We would also like to do this for the new version. But a GPL licence makes it impossible for us to ship it with Cocoon. Even if your are so generous offering a special Apache permission. I guess a lot of people on this list are working on Cocoon for money (besides for the fun). I don't know if this will work for Jisp the same way and if you can make enough money out of that. Noone will blame you if that's not enough for you. But IMHO these days it's the know-how that still sells good. Consider seeing it like having free support for your product. ...but that would require Jisp to live in a CVS (sourceforge,apache,your own,...) and for Cocooners to help an Apache compatible licence ;) As good as I know the people of this community there will surely be no harsh feelings if you decide otherwise. But it's up to you if you want us to help you as your software helps us. ...otherwise we probably need to move to something else ...or keep using the old version. My 2 cents -- Torsten