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From Brian McCallister <>
Subject Re: XML-Relational Mapping (Was: USQL)
Date Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:16:54 GMT
it seems to me the embedded Xindice option should work pretty 
painlessly for most simple persistence needs. If it is hard to use, the 
better option may be to look at how to make it easier to use. If an XML 
-> rdmbs automapper and schema generator is needed it seems a lot like 
reinventing a new backend for an xml database.


On Feb 24, 2004, at 10:21 PM, roy huang wrote:

> It sounds good.I think many application just use very simple 
> database,I saw application just use one or two table for data storage 
> only.
> If we(beginners ;)) can just using mapping to combine xml and database 
> for select/add/update/delete,life is much easier with cocoon.
> +1
> Roy Huang
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Fagerstrom" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:06 PM
> Subject: XML-Relational Mapping (Was: USQL)
>> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>> ...
>>> It would be very cool if we could provide something that helps with 
>>> flow
>>> applications. I like the combination of OR-Mapping/CForms/Flow but 
>>> this
>>> is for many beginners overkill. They shouldn't be forced to write 
>>> Java
>>> code e.g. in order to implement a simple register form.
>>> --
>>> Reinhard
>> I think it is overkill for many non beginners as well ;)
>> I am currently looking at XML-DBMS 2.0,
>>, which is an XML/relational
>> mapping tool. The main idea is that you describe the mapping between 
>> XML
>> and the relational db in a mapping file, then you can use the mapping
>> tool to both store the XML document in the db and retrive XML from the
>> db. The detailed storing strategy - using overwrite or update etc can 
>> be
>> fine tuned in another configuration file. And the retrieving behaviour
>> can fine tuned with a filter file.
>> XML-DBMS is intended for data centric rather than document centric
>> applications and provide a rather flexible mapping between one XML
>> document and a number of tables. It also contains a tool for 
>> generating
>> maping files from DTD:s and, IIUC, from db meta data. It can also
>> generate create table statements from the maping file.
>> I think XML_DBMS look rather promissing, and I have not found any 
>> other
>> packages that dom direct XML relational mapping, all other seem to
>> require Java objects in the middle. Anyone that know about any 
>> simmilar
>> packages?
>> Possible drawbacks are that the community is very small, and that the
>> packaging is not that good: no ant script. The documentation is good
>> however, Ronald Bourret, the main author have written a number of
>> articles about XML mappings.
>>  The licence is: "XML-DBMS, along with its source code, is freely
>> available for use in both commercial and non-commercial settings. It 
>> is
>> not copyrighted and has *absolutely no warranty*. Use it as you will."
>> Given that XML-DBMS holds what it promise, I will try to build an 
>> block
>> around it. My idea is to use XML-DBMS from flowscripts, so the best 
>> way
>> to integrate it would probably be to write some component, like
>> pipelineUtil around XML-DBMS. An SQLToXMLTransformer 
>> XMLToSQLTransformer
>> pair would also be a possibility.
>> Others interested in such a block? Opinions?
>> /Daniel

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