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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:07:12 +0000
From: Upayavira <uv@upaya.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Cocoon Ant Task
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Laurent Mauron wrote:

>Thanks for the detailed explanations. I checked the Ant documentation and I
>am very impressed. I thought Ant was just a 'make'-like tool.
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> I plan to deploy an offline version of Cocoon in a first phase and a
>CocoonTask as you describe might be exactly what I need to for the
>integration part.
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Me too. I'm about to use it on a site. Have Apache serve the static 
stuff, and Tomcat serve the dynamic stuff, and the Ant task run every 
night as a cron job to refresh the static content.

>I am quite excited about this new component to say the least.
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Me too. I'm surprised about how much it seems to change the feel of 
Cocoon's offline functionality.

Regards, Upayavira

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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Upayavira" <uv@upaya.co.uk>
>To: <dev@cocoon.apache.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Cocoon Ant Task
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>>Laurent Mauron wrote:
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>>>Upayavira,
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>>>That sounds very interesting. I am not familiar with Ant and other
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>>>java tools. What's the advantage of wrapping the cocoon cli with an ant
>>>task?
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>>You aren't actually 'wrapping', you're 'replacing'. The Ant task does
>>much the same as the CLI - it interfaces with Cocoon via the CocoonBean.
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>>The benefits of using Ant are the array of Ant tasks that are available
>>to you - tasks to copy files, unpack archives, send files by FTP, SCP,
>>doing XSLT transformations, checking into/out of CVS, etc, etc. Around
>>the functionality of Cocoon you can build a more powerful deployment
>>system using the lego blocks that Ant provides.
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>>In many ways, I see the Ant task overtaking the CLI as the recommended
>>way to access Cocoon's offline functionality, because of this
>>flexibility within Ant.
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>>Also, because Cocoon is running within the same JVM as Ant, there is a
>>minimal impact in terms of using Ant - Ant itself being relatively
>>lightweight (the JVM startup being the slow part). So, to my mind, you
>>get many benefits with few drawbacks.
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>>To really make the CocoonTask integrate with Ant, and make it really
>>useful, I suspect it will need a few enhancements. For example, the
>>xconf language it uses (and shares with the cli.xconf) doesn't really
>>offer much support for the list of URIs to generate to have been created
>>by a previous Ant task. So, when people start actively using the
>>CocoonTask, I suspect it will want some improvement. But lets see the
>>use cases emerge before we do anything.
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>>I have already written some basic docs for the CocoonTask. I've just got
>>to make sure they're valid xdocs before I can commit them - hopefully
>>within a week or so.
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>>I hope this answers your question.
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>>Regards, Upayavira
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>>>Laurent
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>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Upayavira" <uv@upaya.co.uk>
>>>To: <dev@cocoon.apache.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:59 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Cocoon Ant Task
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>>>>David Crossley wrote:
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>>>>>Upayavira wrote:
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>>>>>>Having now seen it work well, I will document it properly soon. I will
>>>>>>also add it to the list of external tasks that is maintained by the
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>>>>>Please do.
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>>>>>I have not seen much discussion here on cocoon-dev about testing it.
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>>>>After your troubles, I had a private discussion with Sylvain, who tested
>>>>it and it worked. I've also now tested a separate checkout on both
>>>>Windows and Linux, which worked fine (except for a requiring an NPE
>>>>patch that was nothing to do with the Ant task).
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>>>>>Anyway, Upayavira, remember the trouble that i had on the forrest-dev
>>>>>thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=106604813100001
>>>>>Well it works for me now with yesterday's Cocoon cvs and following
>>>>>the instructions in that thread.
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>>>>Ahhh. Great. Thanks for that. I'm pleased.
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>>>>>Dunno what changed, but it works.
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>>>>Dunno either. The error you got was one that I got a lot in development,
>>>>but haven't had at all since I committed the code.
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>>>>I've got docs half written. I'll commit them soon.
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>>>>Regards, Upayavira
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