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From Steven Noels <>
Subject Re: (Cocoon tools)
Date Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:16:04 GMT
On Dec 4, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Arje Cahn wrote:

>> I had a great laugh when I saw a screenshot of my own sitemap
>> tracer application, copied in a Korean version, rebuilt and
>> downloadable on the website
>> (
>> I have no problems with them taking my idea, but since they
>> are posting it under the Apache flag, I was wondering wheter
>> they will commit it back to the *real* apache CVS as well?

IIRC, your own sitemap tracer trial never made it into Cocoon CVS 
neither? So him copying some aspects of it is hardly an ASF concern 
(nor is your point really about the copying, of course).

About the 'abuse' of the Apache/Cocoon name/logo on that Korean 
website.... it's a complicated thing IMHO. Imitation is a sincere form 
of flattery, but as long as we don't have Asian-versed community 
members, we will not be able to judge the quality of his work anyhow. I 
sometimes have the feeling they are using a "different internet" 
somehow, and that it is very hard to see both worlds meet. The fact 
people use Anakia and Forrest, and those tools come default with Apache 
skins, doesn't help with this neither - we make it trivially easy to 
create a site which has an ASF/Cocoon look&feel. I don't think we 
should suspect anything malicious behind the use of the default skin.

About the tools thing: +1, but not as some cocoon 
scratchpad/subproject/cvs module thing which is is sneakily slipped 
under the door: if it comes to Apache and had been coded outside, and 
it has little community, incubation is the only entrance IMHO. If the 
incubator sucks, we should go and and talk with them about changing 
their rules. About I'm all ears, if code and community 
exist somehow.


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