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From "Reinhard Poetz" <reinh...@apache.org>
Subject RE: Bugzilla as project management tool
Date Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:45:33 GMT

From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org]

> Hi Reinhard,
> 
> Thanks very much for setting this up!

You're welcome

> If people here "bite" (*and* do the underlying
> implementations ;-) I'm 
> sure this will be a big help for project coordination.
> 
> Basically what you suggest is "if you're working on something it must
> be an issue in bugzilla" - I like this rule, it helps a lot in 
> answering the "projects questions" that we discussed at the GT.

Yep

> 
> But as you say
> > ...Of course nobody is forced to do anything but if you want to 
> > support our initiative...
> 
> So hopefully people will use this and don't let it slip into
> the "good 
> idea never used it" category. I'm optimistic;-)

I'm optimistic too :-)

> But I think we must be careful about this:
> 
> > ... - if you want to comment on a certain issue don't use
> the mailing
> > list
> >    but enter your comments directly into Bugzilla
> >    (for software design e.g. the way we developed Blocks the mailing
> >     list is still the way to go, at least IMHO)...
> 
> I know there is reluctance to move discussions from the
> mailing list to 
> bugzilla, and having one more "discussion place" (besides lists, wiki 
> and IRC) might fragment discussions.
> 
> Maybe we should:
> a) Keep discussions on the list, unless they are very specific to a
> particular bugzilla issue.
> 
> By "very specific" I mean "of no interest to people who are
> not working 
> on this issue". Hard to decide for sure, it's a question of balance. 
> People can add themselves in CC to specific issues anyway if 
> they want 
> to be sure to follow the discussions.
> 
> b) Document in bugzilla the *outcome* of discussions, with
> links to the 
> mail archives.
> This is already happening and I like it, see issues 25286 and 
> 25285 for 
> example.
> 
> c) In mailing list discussions, include the bugzilla issue
> number like 
> [23454] for cross-referencing.
> 
> It is certainly hard to find a balance between "everything in the
> lists" and "everything in bugzilla", basically, what I 
> suggest is "free 
> talk on the lists" and "documented decisions in bugzilla".
> 
>  From what you wrote, I think you agree but wanted to make
> sure we're on 
> the same page.

Big +1 for your precise explanation, this is exactly what I meant. I
think we (as project) have to learn to find the balance and I'm very
optimistic we'll find it!

--
Reinhard


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