Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 69853 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 16:40:36 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 16:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 62082 invoked by uid 500); 23 Nov 2003 16:40:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 61881 invoked by uid 500); 23 Nov 2003 16:40:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 61868 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 16:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pulse.betaversion.org) (217.158.110.65) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 16:40:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 10541 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 16:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.41?) (stefano@80.105.91.155) by pulse.betaversion.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 16:40:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <002101c3b0f6$15e098f0$98506bc2@WRPO> References: <002101c3b0f6$15e098f0$98506bc2@WRPO> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-67--1043307340; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: From: Stefano Mazzocchi Subject: Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:41:29 +0100 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-67--1043307340 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 22 Nov 2003, at 13:42, Reinhard Poetz wrote: > > Over the last days I had an offlist discussion with Sylvain and I = don't > want to keep back a very nice summary of Sylvain comparing CocoonForms > with JSF. I set up a Wiki page: > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=3DCocoonFormsJSF > > We would be very interested in your opinions because this will become = a > "FAQ" in the future (This week I hold a presentation on Control Flow=20= > and > only mentioned CocoonForms in a few sentences but in the break after = it > the "JSF-question" was one of the first ones I got ;-) > > And I'm with you J=F6rg, that we have to show that CocoonForms is = *NOT* > tied to HTML at all. Maybe a XUL example and a second skin would be > great! A XUL example would be *sweeeeeet*. Another one would be PDF-forms but=20= I don't think FOP supports it. :-( (besides, how would we do this?=20 xforms: inside fo:?) > Awaiting your comments :-) Cocoon Forms vs. Java Server Faces: gosh, never thought of it, but=20 yeah, that's the perfect challenge. Ah, note, Craig told me that JSF are not bond to HTML. You implement a=20= java class for each different channel of the "server face". This will be a cool battle to watch. -- Stefano. --Apple-Mail-67--1043307340 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGGDCCAtEw ggI6oAMCAQICAwsi0jANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDMxMTEzMDE0OTU4WhcNMDQxMTEyMDE0OTU4WjBEMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdGVmYW5vQGFwYWNoZS5v cmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC2CMYDGJqn0K4hpdDlpgbFlGxlFh2m p5EZyY3cu9nmp2wcl+vGn1Wcc103mshOV7BYHnBnR9CBNI5E/l/S/hKj0jgd0jH9/aKqmExZkLWs C7kCLANKPPDFl/sPGTHnpkQhvUbDjlUZa/h77oVFowBgIZjdJWadNzssPJ5wnGdfuYr+4ZI2xEWj H0tZY6V4TpILRg/jp3F6x/avqjNGBA1KOp6OzXdh0RfvXEMEXDu6AZTD+flQxOjKp+IHtSO7suwk Kg9ffx7Gh2LGKE24sBNE8SEPYHRtchutpQh9YFW30HVgLgq9rM8lUx6JA7D4akj/A2Wc3tr+BBqp Ukvgm3b/AgMBAAGjLzAtMB0GA1UdEQQWMBSBEnN0ZWZhbm9AYXBhY2hlLm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8E AjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GBAGfFFcM8lPwGLk1c5dHqMMbvR+i9MAWCNVoA2mHloOHW3Lv0 peihvloRht8+lIK4+LpoygMQbeh+piuu/tcP+Z8W0Gee1pPiy0WfDbg5ZHfNvUswUSkoBP/nxL1y oHifBffxIm5IZNIxIj/lfStsMv5X8Tb/+KZY4T+iU/QU5t6UMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UE BxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlm aWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAz MDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0 ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFp bCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1 BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fx H5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wID AQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2Ny bC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkG A1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOB gQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZ foSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4 gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAucwggLjAgEBMGkwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRo YXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAgMLItIwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAVMwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3 DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDMxMTIzMTY0MTI5WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUXbvSNgnz rArZyCwhp/R/d4x7I78weAYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMWswaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMc VGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZy ZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwsi0jB6BgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzFroGkwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAgMLItIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAXkull09H lWJ4ZS651tAz7zJr9PNtrokidJqEZNxavtDI+PS0MoL+SNmEFVNhVA1bz2wDC6PgQZ3VVrJr7R4K OclYQvzPo6csK5MRm/kiiSViky/ckK6SpBDBx8TuY5dg1YdQaKH1Q1W6Qb+EhKftlQ6xZAmVrulX TfXxzhGt2oTTv0CcnoaRWFsUmkL39O38JvBN4JK+FWsrmq4coVyeHeLxJUT4+XA+QrkrS6HC/cc+ jPNVK1aIb1U+rtDnG9Rxk9Uothcgdql0Q1PQB7bmmyyaNOuM1bhEWYNaJL0FJShwsxw9AHGvIzuA t90q/Pj3FKS4KYFqOCYBqdTCaMF5JAAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-67--1043307340--