From dev-return-50633-apmail-cocoon-dev-archive=cocoon.apache.org@cocoon.apache.org Mon Nov 03 15:58:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 67063 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 15:58:36 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 15:58:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 93916 invoked by uid 500); 3 Nov 2003 15:58:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 93708 invoked by uid 500); 3 Nov 2003 15:58:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 93694 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 15:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO main.gmane.org) (80.91.224.249) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 15:58:26 -0000 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AGh64-0000DR-00 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: from sea.gmane.org ([80.91.224.252]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AGh63-0000DJ-00 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:27 +0100 Received: from news by sea.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AGh63-00068E-00 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:27 +0100 From: Sylvain Wallez Subject: Re: Groovy language for XSP [Fwd: [xml-dev] The Free World vs Microsoft Inc: A Closer Look At Groovy] Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:26 +0100 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3FA59A90.6070300@cbim.it> <3FA6748D.8070102@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us In-Reply-To: <3FA6748D.8070102@verizon.net> Sender: news X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Christopher Oliver wrote: > Sylvain Wallez wrote: > >> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >> >> >> >>> Pretty cool stuff. If they add continuations, I'm all for throwin >>> rhino down the drain. >>> >>> [at least, from a community perspective, we wouldn't be basing our >>> entire architecture on branched code of a almost-dead community >>> hosted in a location that doesn't care about java] >> >> >> Scary statement, but unfortunately so true... > > > I don't think that statement is true, rather I'd say it's simply FUD. > The architecture of Cocoon is not based on Rhino. I think it has been > shown that any language that supports continuations can quite easily > be plugged into Cocoon. The problem is that it's hard to find such > languages (and currently Groovy is not currently one of them). Instead > of denigrating Rhino, why not show some appreciation for the fact that > it does actually work. If you look at the list archives you'll see > many postings about languages that various people feel would be better > than Rhino (Python, Java, etc), but currently none of them actually > work in Cocoon. If you're concerned about community support why not > add the Rhino-with-continuations source to the Cocoon cvs. The Cocoon > community is more than capable of maintaining it, IMO. Chris, one more time, you misunderstand me. This is not FUD but the simple fact that a single person has the knowledge of a critical part of what is now a major feature of Cocoon. Furthermore, I haven't seen anybody (and not me) denigrating Rhino. Now I agree with you that hosting Rhino-with-continuations in Cocoon's CVS will certainly give it more exposure and may be one of the ways to see more people involved in it. But even with this, a JS engine still remains something that is very different from the usual Cocoon knowledge. And again, don't get me wrong about this: this is not a negative judgement about Cocoon devs skills. Sylvain, wondering about how to speak with Chris without instantly starting a flame war. -- Sylvain Wallez Anyware Technologies http://www.apache.org/~sylvain http://www.anyware-tech.com { XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects } Orixo, the opensource XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com