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From Sylvain Wallez <>
Subject Re: Groovy language for XSP [Fwd: [xml-dev] The Free World vs Microsoft Inc: A Closer Look At Groovy]
Date Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:58:26 GMT
Christopher Oliver wrote:

> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>> <snip/>
>>> Pretty cool stuff. If they add continuations, I'm all for throwin 
>>> rhino down the drain.
>>> [at least, from a community perspective, we wouldn't be basing our 
>>> entire architecture on branched code of a almost-dead community 
>>> hosted in a location that doesn't care about java]
>> Scary statement, but unfortunately so true...
> I don't think that statement is true, rather I'd say it's simply FUD. 
> The architecture of Cocoon is not based on Rhino. I think it has been 
> shown that any language that supports continuations can quite easily 
> be plugged into Cocoon. The problem is that it's hard to find such 
> languages (and currently Groovy is not currently one of them). Instead 
> of denigrating Rhino, why not show some appreciation for the fact that 
> it does actually work. If you look at the list archives you'll see 
> many postings about languages that various people feel would be better 
> than Rhino (Python, Java, etc), but currently none of them actually 
> work in Cocoon. If you're concerned about community support why not 
> add the Rhino-with-continuations source to the Cocoon cvs. The Cocoon 
> community is more than capable of maintaining it, IMO.

Chris, one more time, you misunderstand me. This is not FUD but the 
simple fact that a single person has the knowledge of a critical part of 
what is now a major feature of Cocoon. Furthermore, I haven't seen 
anybody (and not me) denigrating Rhino.

Now I agree with you that hosting Rhino-with-continuations in Cocoon's 
CVS will certainly give it more exposure and may be one of the ways to 
see more people involved in it. But even with this, a JS engine still 
remains something that is very different from the usual Cocoon 
knowledge. And again, don't get me wrong about this: this is not a 
negative judgement about Cocoon devs skills.

Sylvain, wondering about how to speak with Chris without instantly 
starting a flame war.

Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies 
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