Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 50472 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 05:55:12 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 05:55:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 6238 invoked by uid 500); 2 Oct 2003 05:54:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 6182 invoked by uid 500); 2 Oct 2003 05:54:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 6160 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 05:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 05:54:45 -0000 Received: from mail.messagingengine.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id A652F241D67 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 10.202.2.150 ([10.202.2.150] helo=mail.messagingengine.com) by messagingengine.com with SMTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 01:54:56 -0400 X-Epoch: 1065074096 X-Sasl-enc: Vj93zKd5asWl97E4MZSBgA Received: from upaya.co.uk (elfriedeholmes.demon.co.uk [80.177.165.206]) by www.fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0861A254C2D for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F7BBD9B.9080903@upaya.co.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:54:35 +0100 From: Upayavira User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: Related Documents, MapTransformer and Topic Maps References: <001d01c3885e$b92aa930$d9784fcb@insurgentes.local> In-Reply-To: <001d01c3885e$b92aa930$d9784fcb@insurgentes.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Conal Tuohy wrote: >Rogier Peters wrote: > > > > > >>Googleing xml and relations quickly brought me another subject that I >>haven't seen discussed much here - XML topic maps. On of the big >>advantages of topic maps over my simple mapping is the amount of >>semantics that topic maps allow. Topic maps allow one thing to be >>related to another, and also describe what the one thing is, what the >>other thing is, and what kind of relation they have. >>So the next step would be to implement a topic map >>transformer. There is >>a apache-license topic map project at >>http://sourceforge.net/projects/tm4j. I'm definitely going to >>look into >>it myself, but need to do some reading first, and I would like to >>discuss it. By the way, if you don't like topic maps, I would like to >>know too - I wasn't able to find any criticism on the matter >>(googleing >>'why topic maps are bad' or 'topic maps suck' didn't help) >> >> > >I've done some experimental work with Topic Maps in Cocoon - using XSLT to >harvest TMs from other data sources, merge them, and then to render them as >web pages with "related links". See for example >http://www.nzetc.org:8080/tm/corpora.html for a TM-based view of some of our >website that shows some of these relations but virtually no actual content >(warning: it's very slow). > >I think the technology holds a lot of promise, and could be particulaly >useful in things like Forrest, but we will need some extra components before >they will be readily used in Cocoon, particularly a >TopicMapMergeTransformer, and some kind of TM-oriented templating >transformer for rendering. I haven't had a chance yet to deal with it, but >it's on my list of things to do :-) > >By the way, did you realise that the tm4j project actually already includes >some Cocoon components? > >Cheers > >Con > > The chap leading a project (probably that one) on topic maps was active on the Forrest-dev list recently. Regards, Upayavira