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From Stephen McConnell <>
Subject Re: block perspectives
Date Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:05:24 GMT


My request to you to was "to go back and take another look".  I was 
specifically addressing the inconsistencies and errors in the claims 
that you raised on this list. Given the level of gross inaccuracy 
associated with your comments, I was compelled to correct the assertions 
you were making.

I hope you understand.

As to the suggestion that I or Avalon are attempting to force decision 
changes - I suggest you go back over the mail archives.  I responded to 
a request from Geoff Howard to put forward my thoughts "on where our 
needs differ from what the various Avalon options offer as they exist 
now and where they seem to be going in the near future?".  I posted a 
reply, attempting to outline my understanding of the common underlying 
requirements based on (a) my contribution to early discussion on the 
subject, (b) monitoring discussion here, and (c) reviewing documentation 
on you site.  Clearly the question prompted a reflection of Cocoon needs 
relative to the aims and objectives with Avalon.  I attempted to address 
this question noting those areas that I considered as overlapping and 
areas that I identified as outside of the area of concern relative to 
Avalon priorities.

You chose to respond to my email with a series of negative emails 
justifying "why Cocoon should ignore everyone else", and "the value of 
trial and error", compounded with a technical assessment that was biased 
in the extreme, in many cases completely faulted, and for the most part 
missleading.  Now you are making the assertion that I am attempting to 
change established Cocoon designs.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

Please note that I am simply responding to suggestions and requests from 
members of the Cocoon community to take a more active role here in the 
process of block development.  Clearly that initiative has shown 
immediate merit in the identification on conflicts between the Cocoon 
design relative to working Avalon solutions. I hope and remain confident 
that the broader Cocoon community will continue to remain open and 
receptive to ideas and experience that other communities have to offer.


Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

> On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 16:59 Europe/Rome, Stephen McConnell wrote:
>> Please - go back and take another look.
> Stephen,
> while I thank you for your interest in creating synergies, I am not 
> interested in modifying the cocoon block design at this point and I 
> don't see value in doing so.
> If our design contains bugs or problems, I would like to this 
> community to find them, this community to learn them and think about 
> them.
> Help from others, as usual, is and still will be very appreciated, but 
> you are not giving us any help. You are suggesting that we take a look 
> at your design, instead of coming up with our own.... but we have 
> spent months in designing this thing and we are almost done and ready 
> to start implementing.
> [I hope the GT will finish the design phase]
> I personally took a look at your design for curiosity and for respect. 
> I didn't see anything that would help us.
> I'm biased, I know. But you are as well.
> Let's agree to disagree and move on, so that I don't waste anymore of 
> your time making you roll on the floor laughing.
> -- 
> Stefano.


Stephen J. McConnell

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