Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 16016 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 12:45:42 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 12:45:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 16116 invoked by uid 500); 11 Sep 2003 12:45:34 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 16065 invoked by uid 500); 11 Sep 2003 12:45:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 16042 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 12:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO otsrv1.iic.rug.ac.be) (157.193.121.51) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 12:45:33 -0000 Received: from outerthought.org (host115 [192.168.123.115]) by otsrv1.iic.rug.ac.be (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8BCjXX19230 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:45:33 +0200 Message-ID: <3F606E6D.2090809@outerthought.org> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:45:33 +0200 From: Steven Noels Organization: Outerthought User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030902 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: [OT] when is software finished [was: Re: on better release and version management] References: <001501c3785e$e2163130$1e01a8c0@WRPO> In-Reply-To: <001501c3785e$e2163130$1e01a8c0@WRPO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Reinhard Poetz wrote: > From: Bruno Dumon [mailto:bruno@outerthought.org] > > > >>I expect Woody to also take another year or so before it can >>be considered stable (in terms of interfaces, not code). > > > ... that long? I expected it to be stable sooner (end of this year). > What's open? (I already added this discussion point to > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Edit.jsp?page=GT2003Hackathon) On a lighter note: we have a running joke over here about "when is software considered 'finished'". It can be because the community around it dies, or because the author considers it to be perfect, and not requiring any fixes, refactorings or feature additions anymore. The funny thing is that an author sometimes declares its child finished because the community has died. OTOH, 'ls', 'tar' or 'deltree' could well be considered finished software without any negative connotations. Oh well, this is all geek humor (which is another running joke around here [1]), which we all be glad to share with all of you on the 7th of October (hint hint ;-)) [1] Geek humor being the kind of humor that erupts from male IT professionals if they've spent too much time behind their terminals, thinking what they have been doing will effectively change the rotational direction of our green globe. Geek humor can have two side effects: 1) you make a joke of yourself, being aware of the fact that many other things in life can have much more effect on that rotation than the lines of code and email you have been creating during the day, or 2) others make fun of you since you, taking yourself to serious, passionately start to explain how much fun it would be to change the earth's rotation, "just because you can". Continuously swapping both perspectives while working in an open source community caters for longer periods between burn-outs. :-D -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org