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From "Antonio Gallardo" <agalla...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>
Subject RE: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Date Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:21:40 GMT
Jeff Ramsdale dijo:
>> > Asking a user to download and install another software
>> > package is out of the question. They have perfectly capable
>> > .zip functionality already on their system. We provide a .zip
>> > file for the latest distribution, why night the nightly snapshot?
>>
>> It seems to me that if a user is sophisticated enough to realize that
>> they really need the nightly snapshot for some obscure reason they are
>> sophisticated enough to download the appropriate unzip utility.  After
>> all they figured out how to download Cocoon, install it and determine
>> they need something more.
>
> It's not a matter of sophistication. It's a matter of easing the user's
> entry into developing with Cocoon. It's inconsistent to offer a .zip for
> one download and not for another.

As was posted before, the nightly snapshots are finding his own end life.
The cvs are superseed this type of distribution.

<joke>
Sorry, but windows does not has integrated a CVS client. Because you will
need to download and install another application. :( Maybe Bill will be
interested in add to the windows family a CVS client to help us kick M$'s
ass :)
</joke>

Now seriously, I think this is an automated task that will be stoped
sometime from now. I think there is no interest in improve an ending life
service as nightly snapshots. This is just my point of view. I have not
nothing against zip format.

> I once downloaded a .zip utility for my Windows ME machine for an
> additional feature it offered over the native .zip handling. While it
> did what I needed it really wasn't as convenient--there are some nice
> features to Microsoft's .zip integration in Windows. So I uninstalled
> the package. But meanwhile Windows lost all the nice handling of .zips
> it used to have. It took some poking around and a not-obvious series of
> steps to turn it back on.

Another nice example of why I dont use MS products anymore... ;)

> I can imagine another newbie doing the same
> thing just to download and install a Cocoon nightly build when all of
> this would have been mitigated by a pre-packaged .zip download that we
> provide for a regular release anyway.

As posted before a newbie looking for a nightly snapshot has the enough
knowledge about compression formats that will be find the way to 7-zip or
another compression tool to solve the problem of decompress the nightly
build.

>From my own experience, back in 2000 I was a windows users trying to
review some GPL software that was compressed in the tar.gz format. I
quickly find the way to manage this type of package. I think this is not
too complicated to just download another utility and decompress it.

Best Regards,

Antonio Gallardo



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