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From: "Morrison, John" <John.Morrison@uk.experian.com>
To: "'dev@cocoon.apache.org'" <dev@cocoon.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Porting Cocoon Logging to Log4j - Proposal and Discussion
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:56:04 +0100
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I for one would be -1 on this.  Cocoon relies heavily on Avalon, it
makes IMNSHO little sense when Avalon supports multiple logging
mechanisms to rip it out and recode.

J.

Robert Simmons wrote:
> Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging mechanism
> completely. 
> 
> -- Robert
> 
> "Carsten Ziegeler" <cziegeler@s-und-n.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:LKENJPKDAIKAPKHEOCMMIEBEEOAA.cziegeler@s-und-n.de...
>> The Avalon Logging can be changed to use Log4J. Currently the usage
>> of the LogKit is hard-coded in Cocoon. I added the possibility to
>> configure which logging framework you want to use to the avalon
>> core, but never had 
> time to test
> it.
>> If this is working, only minor changes have to be made to Cocoon
>> (changing three or four lines of code) and you can use Log4j in
>> Cocoon. 
>> 
>> Carsten
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Robert Simmons
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:32 AM
>>> To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
>>> Subject: Porting Cocoon Logging to Log4j - Proposal and Discussion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One of the major implementaiton complaints I have about
> Cocoon is its
> lack
>>> of Log4J logging functionality. Log4j, is without a doubt the best
>>> logging package for java. No other package can even hope to compare
>>> to it. If Cocoon was built to use Log4j instead of the avalon
>>> logging mechanism, it would gain an enormous amount of
>>> functionality that it lacks now. 
>>> 
>>> Personally, when working in a production environment, I dont want
>>> my log files to be put into direcroies in my web app. Id rather
>>> have them forwarded to a central log accumulation server or even
>>> sent out via JMS. Log4j allows this and many more configurations.
>>> Furthermore, it allows you to turn on and off logging on individual
>>> components with ease. Finally, Log4J is used in so many other
>>> products that it is a recognized standard logging mechanism that
>>> many organizations and even network engineers are quite familiar
>>> with.  
>>> 
>>> Therefore, I think Cocoon should migrate to Log4j. In order to
>>> contemplate this, its important that we discuss the complexities of
>>> it in the following quesitons.
>>> 
>>> 1) Why has this not already been done? Is it a question of a lack of
>>> manpower or expertise? If so then I as well as others
> would most likely
> be
>>> happy to volunteer time to accomplish it.
>>> 
>>> 2) How difficult is it to rip out the avalon logging from
> the cocoon
> core
>>> components? Im no avalon expert so I couldnt answer this myself.
>>> 
>>> 3) Is there standard expressions that can be used for locatting
>>> logging lines in cocoon? 
>>> 
>>> 4) Do we upgrade some of the blocks or leave them as is and only
>>> upgrade core cocoon? 
>>> 
>>> I would be interested in comments and opinions.
>>> 
>>> -- Robert



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