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From "Robert Simmons" <>
Subject Re: Porting Cocoon Logging to Log4j - Proposal and Discussion
Date Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:35:14 GMT
To be honest, the condescending attitude you display here doesnt help me
feel warm and fuzzy all over. I can take criticism. Can you? But then I
think I will drop this convewrsation as it likely doesnt belong in this

-- Robert

"Steven Noels" <> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Robert Simmons wrote:
> > It is .. Ive been wrong before and I admit Im no Avalon or cocoon source
> > code expert. Im very direct in my style and I wish people wouldnt take
> > offensively. I merely abhor cheerleading. There are lots of things I
> > about cocoon but the logging irritates me. *shrug* =^)
> From someone who learned this himself the hard way:
> In an email conversation, don't expect your recipients to cope with 'your
> style' just because you have explained them you mean no harm, and you
> 'just happen to be direct'.
> I find it much more effective if you try and shape your style towards
> optimal reception by your recipients: not by easy excuses for your
> directness, but by showing _you_ are aware of this directness, and are
> willing to tone down in respect for your recipients.
> I'll now refrain from helping you in getting connected with this
> community, and I do hope you are able to flex your directness into a more
> positive style of communication.
> Don't expect us to feel honoured just by your presence. The fact you are
> coming back says all.
> With the best intentions,
> Cheers,
> </Steven>

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