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From Giacomo Pati <>
Subject Re: Porting Cocoon Logging to Log4j - Proposal and Discussion
Date Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:36:12 GMT
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Gianugo Rabellino wrote:

> Robert Simmons wrote:
> > I wasnt accusing anyone of being childish. I wish you wouldnt put words in
> > my mouth. I merely meant that the demands of a business environment are
> > quite different then the demands of non-business environments.
> Please rest assured that many (probably most) of us know what the
> demands of business environments are.
> > Many open
> > source projects have yet to bridge this gulf and only a few have done it
> > sucessfully (apache web server, ant, log4j, tomcat, jboss). For example, the
> > decision to NOT distribute a binary build of cocoon is a good example of
> > going in the opposite direction of business. Many business consultants are
> > not interested in building source, but rather using the product as is.
> Oh, gosh... will not distributing a binary build be enough for us not to
> "cross the bridge"? Let's have a party on this side of the river with
> Linus then. Oh, and please tell me where you are going to find Gnome or
> KDE binary distributions (RPM, DEB and other linux distro packages don't
> count). And tell the FreeBSD guys that their port system is doomed.
> Anyway, here is your binary distribution:
> $ cat >
> ./ war > install.log 2>&1
> if [ $? == 0 ]
> then
>    echo "Installation successful, Cocoon war installed in
> `pwd`/build/cocoon.war"
> else
>    echo "Installation failed, plese check install.log for details"
> fi
> ^D
> Rant apart, you might have a point in blaming Cocoon of not being
> "business friendly", and I'm starting to consider that there might be
> room for someone to come up and be Cocoon's RedHat, providing
> "production" builds and "certified" WARs, thus relieving the Cocoon
> community in these issues. Any Orixians listening? ;-))

Thanks for taking the energy. I couldn't say it any better.

Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland -
Orixo, the XML business alliance -

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