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From Steven Noels <>
Subject Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/html/lib .cvsignore jtidy-04aug2000r7-dev.jar
Date Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:11:27 GMT
Joerg Heinicke wrote:

> Ui, Steven, hard words. I can understand your irritation, it's not the 
> way I would like to see such stuff goes. But offending somebody in such 
> an aggressive way on the public list ??

Well, it's the classical case of not paying enough attention before 
pressing the send button. I'm really good at this. :-|

So apologies for the tone, it was intended for the PMC list, and I was 
composing a follow-up message already. But I guess I'd better continue 
the discussion in public:

First, let's make this clear: it's good that people contribute to the 
new portal framework. So thanks, Friedrich, Gerald and Gernot, for 
donating this back to the community. Also, I fully trust Carsten in 
reviewing the code before committing.

OTOH, I'm still seriously concerned with this happening, especially 
since I've seen this before. We (= the Cocoon PMC) have the duty to 
provide legal oversight over the ASF Cocoon codebase. For anything else 
than bugfixes and minor patches, especially for new code, we must ensure 
copyright is correctly transferred, and that the ASF cannot be subject 
of patent infringement lawsuits, and all that. Hence the CLA all 
committers are supposed to sign and fax.

Of course, I'm very confident that Carsten has done this with the best 
possible intentions, but "Contributions to the portal" is hardly an 
intuitive commit message, and a quick search for the three people 
involved didn't bring up much prior discussion on the lists. If people 
show up off-list with anything but trivial contributions, they should be 
discussed or at the very least mentioned on the dev list before being 

I know I'm not making myself popular here and now, but given the 
increased number of commercial entities involved with Cocoon and its 
community, we're better safe than sorry.

Sorry again for the tone.

Steven Noels                  
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